Eliminating the US economy is indeed a good thing for the rest of the world but it’s not that great of an action.

If you think that’s amazing there was this guy in the mid 1800s that was a penpal of president Lincoln that predicted the hell we currently live in.

Not a lie, neither the US or EU can compare, https://e360.yale.edu/features/china-renewable-energy

So clearly they’re not replacing the capacity with renewables. Or they’re actively reducing their total energy capacity. That’s also an explanation for those numbers.

But hey, anything to excuse the West deciding on lng for their power.

And yet they’re not replacing them with green energy. Seems like they’re not doing much at all.

Hey it’s the bi-quarterly "China is collapsing’ article from random western business media. They’ve been wrong a hundred quarters in a row but this time I’m sure they’re on to something.

It is more than literally every other country is doing, is my retort to that point. That and unlike western governments, they actually accomplish their goals.

Everyone could be doing more, China is doing the most. If the US especially didn’t spend the last century and a half ignoring climate change while most of the world was still pre industrial agricultural societies, we wouldn’t be in this mess.

And they’re easier to set up securely than either renewable or the nuclear plants they’ll likely later become.

Yes, it’d be great if they weren’t sanctioned every other week and threatened with war and could dedicate all of their resources to leap frogging dirty tech… But that’s not the world we live in, the world we live in has people that are rising in quality of life and expecting all the benefits. And they simply have more people than the US and Europe combined while only having the GDP of just the US.

It’s not ideal, they’ve admitted as such, but it’s a necessary step that all western nations took even when better options were on the table, it’s unfair to criticize China when they’re also producing more green energy than the rest of the world.

Except China operates and so far has executed multi year long plans that have been incredibly successful. On top of this they’re the reason green energy is cheap at all, given they’re the world’s producer.

And yet they own large farms that are tax free that they can earn money off of. The few low industrialized parts (currently representing less than 200 million) don’t have schools or massive infrastructure, but also have guarantees their way of life and making money is secure until they do have access to those things. And Xinjiang alone shows it’s not an empty promise; going from one of those regions you’re referring to, to a region that rivals Vietnam or Malaysia by itself.

Yeah, mao fucked up, like the US fucked up during its great famine, sorry dust bowl. And then no famine ever again.

To your second point, of course you can’t leave if you’re a criminal (every nation on earth has this policy) or in severe debt to the government (most nations have this policy), but you can leave under pretty much any other circumstances. I didn’t click your link but even you wouldn’t be spreading the conspiracy theory of secret global police that kidnap random yellow people for the cpc, right?

To your third point, coal plants and any other steam generators are easy to convert over to each other once built. A nuclear plant and a coal plant share 70% of their equipment. Building one lays the foundation for the other. If you need quick base load expansion, you can’t really beat coal or diesel, and continually expanding the quality of life for 1.4 billion people requires constant base load expansion… Even better if it can later be converted into near infinite power sources like nuclear.

In a generation they went from a famine every decade to the end of famines, in a second generation they went from a industrial age economy with most of its people living in extreme poverty to eliminating extreme poverty and some of its people living on par with those in the wealthiest nations. In this generation they have raised the standard of living of their poorest from a poverty the US hasn’t seen in a century to that of middle class Americans in the 1980s. In order to accomplish this, massive amounts of electricity is needed. That lifestyle is naturally wasteful as it takes electricity for granted, but it’s better by most accounts. This is on top of being the world’s factory and the electricity use that entails.

In short, yes, they need both, and nuclear which they’re also the leader in. Unlike the West they do have plans to get off coal as a power source, and the amount of work they’ve done eliminating coal usage near cities by itself is commendable, compared to its contemporaries like the US.

‘spending very little’???

They produced more new green energy than the total capacity of green energy for the rest of the world combined in 2024.

Sure, China. You can build a nuclear power plant from dirt to operation in 6 months. Not 10 years plus infinite overages, 6 months.

If there’s not a perverse profit motive at every stage and instead people are rewarded for getting the job done and getting the job done right, you end up with high quality fast engineering.

Mbfc is funded and run by Nazis. You’re defending a Nazi site. I personally wouldn’t call you a Nazi over doing so in ignorance, but others might.

You’re right, defending Nazi sites doesn’t make you friends, you’re wrong that there’s any peer review of the site though, either way.

Listen, I’m not saying it’s right, but I only flirt with men I like, and completely ignore women I like.

Literally only in the US and Europe. Remove the profit motive and don’t keep on inefficient construction companies and it’s a quick process.

You’re right, we should try to get the military police to stick around longer to ensure security and make sure no more armed American backed separatists are left to do another massacre, like tank man.

This suggests conservatives are secretly strong though. We know that’s not the case.

They’re the reddit users that think reddit 2024 is too left wing.

They’re the reddit users that believe the only thing wrong with reddit is too many ads.

They’re the reddit users that think voting is an effective measure in a captured kakistocracy.

They’re the reddit users that believe Biden is most left wing president in US history.

In short, yes.