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Cake day: June 18th, 2023

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  • But there is no un-hated group. Heck, there’s still a not insignificant portion of the population who hate the Irish/Catholics still. There is no group that isn’t hated by someone.

    Hell, there are a not insignificant number of people who hate white people. Does that make it okay for them to be “proud of being white” just because some people hate them for it?

    I don’t disagree that there will always be people who hate gay people. But I do think there are plenty of countries though where the percentage of the population that do is low. At least as low as those who hate whites/Catholics/etc.


  • That makes sense, but I do have follow-on questions. Genuinely asking, not trying to be antagonistic.

    Would you then say that gay pride is ridiculous in a nation that doesn’t have issues with hating gay people? Like, in a well run country where homophobia/transphobia is marginalized out, should gay pride be viewed the same as having Irish pride?

    The argument against that in my mind would be that it’s honoring the work of the people who came before who had to deal with historical bigotry. But I feel like the counter to that would be the Irish, in that they also had to deal with systematic bigotry in this country. We’re not so far gone from “No Irish Need Apply,” and people having to change their names to hide their Irish ancestry to find jobs.







  • Okay, that took some finding, but I did find the original language in the act. I agree that the “does and mean or” snippet reads bad, but I think it probably does actually mean or. The snippet reads like (not the actual language, just the form)

    In order to qualify, the candidate must have never:

    • killed a man,
    • stolen a car, and
    • beaten his wife.

    It does say “and,” which means technically a candidate who just killed a man is fine, since he didn’t also steal a car and beat his wife. The “and” side is saying that unless you’re guilty of all three things, you’re an eligible candidate. The “or” side is saying any one is disqualifying by intent of the law.

    Here’s the actual text, for clarity:

    (1) the defendant does not have— ‘‘(A) more than 4 criminal history points, excluding any criminal history points resulting from a 1-point offense, as determined under the sentencing guidelines; ‘‘(B) a prior 3-point offense, as determined under the sentencing guidelines; and ‘‘© a prior 2-point violent offense, as determined under the sentencing guidelines;’’

    My read is that saying “must have a 3pt offense and a 2pt offense” is a pretty clear signal of intent for “or.” It’s tough to imagine a scenario where lawmakers intentionally decided to only block people with both types of offense, but not with just one or the other.

    But RAW says and, which is probably why the courts ruled that way.