Bro I’m the lead developer and I’m just now seeing this, just accept you called the viral marketing wrong.

We’ve grown to the point that when I market something, I tell people not to listen to me because I’m biased.

Bazzite founder here, We actually ship with no X11 session installed. This change was made when we rebased on Fedora 41.

You can of course install one, but it’s our policy that if you open an issue while using X11 we ask you to try again on Wayland, and if it doesn’t happen there your issue is getting closed.

When proton rebases on the latest wine we will be very close to being in a position where we can just remove all xWayland packages, I suspect that will happen in the next few years.

I’m not sure how you’ve decided the term is vague but it doesn’t matter, it’s a decade old term with an entire foundation built around it that’s part of the Linux Foundation.

You should tell them it’s vague. The truth is users with your opinion are not a growth target, I’ve dealt with maybe three of you in over 9 million downloads.

I appreciate the input. You and I had the same opinion which is actually why I went with container native in the first place. I was trying to avoid the word cloud because I felt that some gamers would misconstrue it.

The reason I’ve changed it back and made it accurate is that I feel we have reached the point of saturation where some benefit of the doubt is present, and the word cloud may lead people to look twice rather than just run away.

I did make sure to watch our numbers before and after that change and I saw no discernible difference in bounce rate or ISO download growth rate. In fact in a previous comment in this thread I said we had 400TB/no in ISOs - That is now 460TB not even a couple days later.

One other way to look at it to is it benefits us twofold, in one sense we’re getting cloud nerds like you and me interested in a fun new toy that is directly in our wheelhouse (and we want those, cloud nerds are quality engineers and contributors), and in another, we’re showing both windows users and existing Linux users an ironically lesser known part of Linux among desktop users – cloud native – despite it being probably the biggest money maker in Linux. People can contribute to Bazzite who might have never done anything in the Linux space before and accidentally find themselves on the path to a real paying Linux job.

I’ll check it out, thanks

Yeah sorry, your opinion’s just not that important. Maybe if you showed a shred of interest in growing the Linux desktop I might be inclined to care

I can tell you right now if you want the Linux ecosystem to grow, the average person is probably downloading the installer and installing it because of word of mouth or mentions in YouTube videos, and not writing all of these words I’m not going to read on lemmy.

You’ve already done a direct disservice to your cause by starting this comment thread in the first place – trying your best to dissuade one such user because you don’t like a word and don’t like that a developer doesn’t value your opinion of that word.

Thanks! Our entire ujust/first run process is very much a work in progress and we’re trying to improve it asap.

Cloud native is the end product too. The point of my firmness with you was not to express that I don’t care about windows users – quite the contrary, none of this would exist without that – but to express that I don’t care about your issue with the definition of an already defined word.

Yes, it’s designed to be as easy as possible to manage and exceedingly difficult to break in a permanent way.

It’s also turnkey in comparison to Windows, in the sense that you already have all of your hardware drivers and have Steam installed right from the get-go.

UKI is something we very much want to do in the future, but it’s a long-term goal

As far as replacing the init system, I think even in traditional Fedora that would be extremely challenging, but it could probably be done as a custom image.

We are averaging 400TB/mo in ISOs and it’s increasing. If lay-users are turning away in numbers greater than random noise I’m not seeing it. If Linux users who argue about definitions of already defined words on Lemmy are – that’s not a growth target.

I got to buzzword and then I gave up reading. I’m going to go ahead and continue to double down on it until I don’t see comments like this.

Multiple definitions have been provided, there is an entire cloud native computing foundation of which members of it are part of Universal Blue, and it’s an incredibly common thing in any professional paid Linux job. I understand a small subset of users (Most of which are going to be Windows Gamers) might think cloud native means it’s running in the cloud, but the website quite literally links to something that says that’s not the case, and I’m okay suffering a few people not getting it.

Part of the stated goal is to push forward cloud native and this model for the Linux desktop. If people want to learn about it there are resources available to do so.

I did a couple interviews on this just recently, you can see them here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhwNgfE5BwU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnQze1dMf2U&t=41m42s

If you have any further questions after these, let me know and I’ll be happy to expand on it further!

Thanks Jorge. Just confirming that this is the single most complete reply. I couldn’t have asked for a better explanation.

Yes

No

Founder here, the more I see this whining the more I want to keep it on the website.

It’s the accurate definition.

Hey there, I’m the founder of Bazzite. Just wanted to confirm that we have no interest in VC funding. It says it’s cloud native because it’s cloud native, not because we’re marketing to people with too much money and a lack of sense.