Lmao, there it is. The one two punch of the liberal slur and terminally online meme. Thanks for letting me know I can no longer take anything you say seriously.
I hope platner proves you right, and if he does I will be happy to admit I’m wrong. I hope you’ll do the same if he proves you wrong. Not sure what more there is to say here.
What stance has Platner taken that is “in the middle of the pack” exactly? This is where I think the disconnect is. You are convinced he is a sheep dog, and I am not. Neither of us can prove our points one way or another, so I’m really not sure why this conversation is continuing.
I am not a new leftist. I have been an ansoc since before I could drink, which was almost 20 years ago at this point. What I am is a desperate leftist. I see that we have gone off the political cliff. That the purity politics of yesteryear are exactly why we ended up with outright fascism. Which I guess is good if you subscribe to accelerationism, but bad it you care about the actual well being of people today. So while the idea of the perfect leftist with ideal and consistent history of working class experience and community organizing is a wonderful ideal to strive for, it’s not the reality of the political situation we live in today. There are going to be some people (I have seen it in my conservative leaning parents for example) that have very recently awoken to the realities of oligarchy and fascism that we currently live under, and who should be welcomed to the fold, rather than cast aside.
I’m a socialist as well, but I don’t see how you can conclusively and definitely say that you know how he is going to vote on every issue. That is why its strange to me. You seem to think that his past entirely dictates his world view, and that people cannot change their world view over time. That being a small business owner who is reliant on the teat of the government to function is not enough for you to take his claims of change seriously.
All I am saying is that you don’t know, and neither do I. We will both find out, but to claim that you know solely based on his career path (which is far closer to working class compared to a lot of other politicians out there), is odd to me. Time will tell.
Your fixation on working class cred is really bizarre. I generally agree with everything else you’re saying though.
I don’t follow the logic that going from “petty bourgeois” to political candidate is “suspicious”. Suspicious would be going to some political consulting company with murky ties or to some private security contracting firm. Instead, the shellfish farming endeavor signals a marking point in his career and a potential turning point in his world view.
Now your highlighting of his length and frequency of service is valid, and concerning. All anyone can do though, is hope that he has had a real change of heart. There will be no way to tell until he gets into office. If he gets into office and totally flips on everything he campaigned on, it would be one of the biggest political betrayals ever, even more so than someone like Fetterman since there is at least some potential medical explanation there.
You’re not wrong. When the whole totenkompf thing happened, I looked into the other candidates in the race, and there are absolutely candidates that could fill his shoes. However, politically, they are even more non-viable than he is, just given the momentum he already has in terms of endorsements from people like bernie sanders and the whole infrastructure he has built up. It’s not as easy as just transferring all that momentum to another candidate, so people are willing to overlook his past in hopes that he is genuine. It’s not an ideal situation, by any means, but it does speak to the current political atmosphere, where progressive politics are so appealing that even problematic candidates are cracking through the noise.
Why is bathroom censored?
And Google Murray Bookchin while you’re at it.
You are probably overwatering, let things dry out a bit between waterings and fungus gnats will go away.
Because it shows the idiocy of those who blindly and vehemently opposed AI, and proves that their bias is not based in any sort of reality.
Again though, he has explained his mental state at the time of making those statements. There is no way to prove one way or another whether he is telling the truth, but looking at his arc, saying he was supporting Bernie in 2016, starting shellfish farming and community organizing, it does look like he made a real change. Of course that is what an “operator”, as you put it, would look like, but the general logic of it does seem to at least be consistent. You are welcome to be skeptical, but you are not everyone, and clearly others are willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. I guess time will tell.
1.) Do you have links to these quotes? Not that it will change point 2, but worth seeing the full context of what you are referring to exactly.
2.) I have heard from him directly explaining his sketchy past quotes on reddit about being damaged mentally when he came back from the middle east and didn’t get better until he rediscovered community, began working with his local ecosystem and going to therapy. Of course he could be lying and saying what needs to be said, but there is literally no way to know that, given he has no actual political background to go on. So people desperate for actual political change are willing to take a gamble on him and take him at his word, since the policies and platform he is running on are what people have been wanting for a long time. It’s the same reason some nobody named Zohran Mamdani is now a highly popular mayor of NYC, despite his demonization by the entire establishment as a radical Muslim socialist who will destroy the city.
*totally not a genocide though
I actually don’t think electoralism is the be all end all of social change, which is why I don’t really give that much of a shit about whether Platner is a sheep dog or not. I care that he is getting the support at the level he is getting, which points to the current state of social consciousness, and shows that we are moving in the right direction. He may be an imperfect messenger, but I’m excited the he is getting the message out there that he is.
I choose a form of relief that doesn’t attack my fellow comrades, but rather embraces them. Whether platner is a true comrade or not, we will see, but your psychoanalyzing and punching left has gone far enough, so I’m going to disengage from this conversation now. Have a good one.