I don’t have any good answers but I’ve been experiencing a similar thing with Obsidian plugins (and I guess this goes for plugins in other types of software too).

Before, there were a lot but you could look through all the new ones to find something interesting. If you search for something, you’ll probably find 1-3 candidates and you can research all of them and decide which one to go with. The people who made them often have some kind of clue what they’re doing.

Now, it is a literal deluge of slop. I’ve heard the excuse that it’s low stakes and doesn’t really matter so you should lower your expectations since plugins are a good way for vibecoders to share with the community, but these plugins are usually just terrible or have glaring, horrible issues that no person would ever make. There is a big difference between doing something wrong or with an outdated API or not following best practices vs. dropping code into your project that you have no idea what it does. It doesn’t matter if something is a bad idea, people just go off of their chatbot’s responses which make them think whatever they’re doing is fine. Also really common to straight up duplicate functionality that already exists or take a shot at implementing huge, over-ambitious systems for no reason. A badly programmed plugin will malfunction, a vibe-coded plugin could literally wipe my drive.

I’m probably going to make a plugin at some point that just filters other plugins with some automated criteria based on Open Slopware, like claude/agents.md or commit authors in the repository, or requested AI code reviews on Github. This is on top of trying to filter the thousands of horrible quality AI-focused plugins that have overtaken everything and colonized every noun and verb. I’m a little worried people are going to be mad, so I think it should be presented as neutrally as I can instead of just calling it the slop filter 9000.

Different context, but in a vibe coded video game mod I was reading through in ilspy, they looped through every single loaded assembly looking for a function with the right signature and then called it. It SAYS which function you should call in the documentation. That’s just begging for the game to crash for no reason once you install enough mods. Insanity.

I honestly can’t blame you because killing something called “Keep” sounds right up Google’s alley.

boy that account did not like people clarifying it’s a joke

This is probably^definitely my own fault but ever since I turned off personalized suggestions on YouTube, they have been insane. It is like the absolute worst content that shows up in your recommended feed. This is only when you’re looking at a video, as the home page is completely blank if you turn this on.

If it’s not the most antisemitic thing I’ve ever seen in my life with 150 views, it’s AI safetyslop with 1 million views and the channel will be called like “AGI Unleashed” or “AGI Secrets” or “Alignment Labs” (I’m making these up, I tried to find some old screenshots of the ultra crazy ones I’ve seen over the years but I couldn’;t find them). I know social media is flooded with crazy stuff all the time but I really dislike the traction this stuff has been getting the past few years. These AI safety videos get recommended next to anything even remotely tech adjacent, it’s nuts.

also: what happened here? https://x.com/EffectvAltruism

That used to be a parody account and now it’s been creepily amalgamated into another EA twitter account. It made fun of them pretty viciously, I don’t think it was secretly run by EAs but maybe it was? Did somebody break into it???

That was fantastic. I am so sick of the smarm that’s all over the Bun in Rust project.

I made the mistake of looking at the orange site and they pinned his response as being an autistic defect. Love to see it. There was also a re-rebuttal from an effective altruist & AI safety blog with more snarky gotchas about the rewrite.

I literally cannot believe people are looking at this 1 million LoC unsafe{} Jenga tower and taking it seriously. It’s just unacceptable to say anything negative about it at all.

Sanders why https://gizmodo.com/bernie-sanders-reveals-the-ai-doomsday-scenario-that-worries-top-experts-2000628611

Sen. Sanders: I have talked to CEOs. Funny that you mention it. I won’t mention his name, but I’ve just gotten off the phone with one of the leading experts in the world on artificial intelligence, two hours ago.

. . .

Second point: This is not science fiction. There are very, very knowledgeable people—and I just talked to one today—who worry very much that human beings will not be able to control the technology, and that artificial intelligence will in fact dominate our society. We will not be able to control it. It may be able to control us. That’s kind of the doomsday scenario—and there is some concern about that among very knowledgeable people in the industry.

taking a wild guess it’s Yudkowsky. “very knowledgeable people” and “many/most experts” is staying on my AI apocalypse bingo sheet.

even among people critical of AI (who don’t otherwise talk about it that much), the AI apocalypse angle seems really common and it’s frustrating to see it normalized everywhere. though I think I’m more nitpicking than anything because it’s not usually their most important issue, and maybe it’s useful as a wedge issue just to bring attention to other criticisms about AI? I’m not really familiar with Bernie Sanders’ takes on AI or how other politicians talk about this. I don’t know if that makes sense, I’m very tired

Some light uplifting news amid *gestures at everything*. I saw this a minute ago from the guy who runs TheCodingHorror and co-founded Stack Overflow and Discourse: https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1ifd3ys/im_giving_away_half_my_wealth_to_make_the/

No EA stuff! $1M each going to eight great charities and non-profits as far as I can tell: Children’s Hunger Fund, First Generation Investors, Global Refuge, NAACP Legal Defense and Educational Fund, PEN America, The Trevor Project, Planned Parenthood, and Team Rubicon. (from The Trevor Project’s blog post)

This stuff is getting pushed all the time in Obsidian plugins (note taking/personal knowledge management software). That kind of drives me crazy because the whole appeal of the app is your notes are just plain text you could easily read in notepad, but some people are chunking up their notes into tiny, confusing bite-sized pieces so it’s better formatted for a RAG (wow, that sounds familiar)

Even without a RAG, using LLMs for searching is sketchy. I was digging through a lot of obscure Stack Overflow posts yesterday and was thinking, how could an LLM possibly help with this? It takes less than a second to type in the search terms and you just have to look at the titles and snippets of the results to tell if you’re on the right track. You have the exact same bottleneck of typing and reading, except with ChatGPT or Copilot you also have to pad your query with a bunch of filler and read all the filler slop in the answer as it streams in a couple thousand times slower than dial-up. Maybe they’re more equal with simpler questions you don’t have to interrogate, but then why even bother? I’ve seen some people who say ChatGPT is faster, easier, and more accurate than Stack Overflow and even two crazy ones who said it’s completely obsolete and trying to understand that perspective just causes me psychic damage.

I’m in the same boat. Markov chains are a lot of fun, but LLMs are way too formulaic. It’s one of those things where AI bros will go, “Look, it’s so good at poetry!!” but they have no taste and can’t even tell that it sucks; LLMs just generate ABAB poems and getting anything else is like pulling teeth. It’s a little more garbled and broken, but the output from a MCG is a lot more interesting in my experience. Interesting content that’s a little rough around the edges always wins over smooth, featureless AI slop in my book.

slight tangent: I was interested in seeing how they’d work for open-ended text adventures a few years ago (back around GPT2 and when AI Dungeon was launched), but the mystique did not last very long. Their output is awfully formulaic, and that has not changed at all in the years since. (of course, the tech optimist-goodthink way of thinking about this is “small LLMs are really good at creative writing for their size!”)

I don’t think most people can even tell the difference between a lot of these models. There was a snake oil LLM (more snake oil than usual) called Reflection 70b, and people could not tell it was a placebo. They thought it was higher quality and invented reasons why that had to be true.

Orange site example:

Like other comments, I was also initially surprised. But I think the gains are both real and easy to understand where the improvements are coming from. [ . . . ]

I had a similar idea, interesting to see that it actually works. [ . . . ]

Reddit:

I think that’s cool, if you use a regular system prompt it behaves like regular llama-70b. (??!!!)

It’s the first time I’ve used a local model and did [not] just say wow this is neat, or that was impressive, but rather, wow, this is finally good enough for business settings (at least for my needs). I’m very excited to keep pushing on it. Llama 3.1 failed miserably, as did any other model I tried.

For story telling or creative writing, I would rather have the more interesting broken english output of a Markov chain generator, or maybe a tarot deck or D100 table. Markov chains are also genuinely great for random name generators. I’ve actually laughed at Markov chains before with friends when we throw a group chat into one and see what comes out. I can’t imagine ever getting something like that from an LLM.

Getting flashbacks to the people who thought the GameStop guy was a leftist

https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/1go1ndu/rsuperstonk_in_the_midst_of_a_political_civil_war/

I’m wondering if this might have stemmed from A) OpenAI making it a nightmare for him, B) feeling despondent about the case, or C) personal things unrelated to the lawsuit. Kind of like what happened with the Boeing whistleblower after he had been fighting them for years and Boeing retaliated against him and got away with it. I don’t know if we’ll ever know though.

Friends don’t let friends OSINT

i can stop any time I want ^{I swear}

The youtube page you found is less talked about, though a reddit comment on one of them said “anyone else thinking burntbabylon is Luigi?”. I will point out that the rest of his online presence doesn’t really paint him as “anti tech” overall, but who can say.

apparently there was an imposter youtube channel too I missed

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/brian-thompson-unitedhealthcare-death-investigation-12-9-24#cm4hp9zyk000m3b6nobdudr15

not sure what his official instagram is, but I saw a mention of the instagram account @nickakritas_ around the beginning of his channel (assuming it’s his). didn’t appear in the internet archive though.

also saw these twitter & telegram links to promote his channel, the twitter one was deleted or nuked (I use telegram to talk with friends who have it but the lack of content removal + terrible encryption means I don’t touch unknown telegram links with a 10ft pole, so I have no idea what’s in there):

• https://twitter.com/AntiTechCabin
• https://t.me/antitechcabin

I missed a couple videos which survived on the internet archive but I couldn’t make it through 5 seconds of any of them. one of them (“How Humans Are Becoming Dumber”) cites that tech priest guy Gwern Branwen and “Anti-Tech” was gone from the channel name by then. he changed the channel name a lot so maybe he veered away from it being an anti-tech channel?

edit: channel names were a little wrong, I put them in the parent comment

EDIT: this probably isn’t him, but I’ll leave it up. the real account appears to be /u/mister_cactus

Unsure where to put this or if it’s even slightly relevant, but I’ve had some fun looking up the UH shooter guy.

I think I’ve found both his Reddit account and YouTube channel (it’s been renamed a couple times). Kinda just wanted to see how much I could dig up for the hell of it. Big surprise that he’s completely nuts

He got raked over the coals for this: https://www.reddit.com/r/collapse/comments/126vycx/why_scientists_cant_be_trusted/

https://api.pullpush.io/reddit/search/comment/?author=burntbabylon

edit again: holy shit these people all suck. assuming the youtube channel is the shooter, he’s a friend-of-a-friend of this guy:

and if that’s true, he’d be a friend-of-a-friend-of-a-friend of nick fuentes

I’m not super familiar with Lobsters but I love how they represent bans: https://lobste.rs/~SuddenBraveblock

• Joined: 5 years ago
• ✧∘* 🌈"““Left””"🦄✧･ﾟ: 3 hours ago

I saw this linked in the weekly thread and thought it was about Godot at first, but I thought that was just me. Didn’t expect to see 90% of the people here thought the same thing lol

edit: oh man, some of those comments. I still get culture shock from true believers, I forgot this probably got some attention on the orange site

Hidden horses is too good of a phrase to leave buried here

We lost ‘Mechanical Turk’ as a descriptor for AI because it’s literally the name of the service they use for labeling training data. ‘Actually Indians’ is still on the table.

edit: context https://www.independent.co.uk/tech/chatgpt-david-mayer-name-glitch-ai-b2657197.html

Time for another round of Rothschild nutso’s to come around now that ChatGPT can’t say one of their names.

At first I was thinking, you know, if this was because of the GDPR’s right to be forgotten laws or something that might be a nice precedent. I would love to see a bunch of people hit AI companies with GDPR complaints and have them actually do something instead of denying their consent-violator-at-scale machine has any PII in it.

But honestly it’s probably just because he has money

I think Sam Altman’s sister accused him of doing this to her name awhile ago too (semi-recent example). I don’t think she was on a “don’t generate these words ever” blacklist, but it seemed like she was erased from the training data and would only come up after a web search.

RationalWiki really hits that sweetspot where everybody hates it and you know that means it’s doing something right:

From Prolewiki:

RationalWiki is an online encyclopedia created in 2007. Although it was created to debunk Conservapedia and Christian fundamentalism,[1] it is also very liberal and promotes anti-communist propaganda. It spreads imperialist lies and about socialist states including the USSR[2] and Korea[3] while uncritically promoting narratives from the CIA and U.S. State Department.

From Conservapedia:

RationalWiki.org is largely a pro-SJW atheists website.

[ . . . ]

RationalWikians have become very angry and have displayed such behavior as using profanity and angrily typing in all cap letters when their ideas are questioned by others and/or concern trolls (see: Atheism and intolerance and Atheism and anger and Atheism and dogmatism and Atheism and profanity).[33]

From WikiSpooks (with RationalWiki’s invitation for anyone to collaborate highlighted with an emotionally vulnerable red box for emphasis):

Although inviting readers to “register and engage in constructive dialogue”, RationalWiki appears not to welcome essays critical of RationalWiki[3] or of certain official narratives. For example, it is dismissive of the Journal of 9/11 Studies, terming it, as of 2017, it a “peer- crank-reviewed, online, open source pseudojournal”.[4]

And a little bonus:

“Can I have Google discount my rationalwiki entry, has errors posted out of spite 10 years ago”

https://support.google.com/websearch/thread/106033064/can-i-have-google-discount-my-rationalwiki-entry-has-errors-posted-out-of-spite-10-years-ago?hl=en

My site questions Darwinism but that’s become quite mainstream. But my rationalwiki page has over 20 references to me being a creationist, and is tagged “pseudoscience.” Untrue

I don’t think the main concern is with the license. I’m more worried about the lack of an open governance and Redis priorizing their functionality at the expense of others. An example is client side caching in redis-py, https://github.com/redis/redis-py/blob/3d45064bb5d0b60d0d33360edff2697297303130/redis/connection.py#L792. I’ve tested it and it works just fine on valkey 7.2, but there is a gate that checks if it’s not Redis and throws an exception. I think this is the behavior that might spread.

Jesus, that’s nasty

That kind of reminds me of medical implant hacks. I think they’re in a similar spot where we’re just hoping no one is enough of an asshole to try it in public.

Like pacemaker vulnerabilities: https://www.engadget.com/2017-04-21-pacemaker-security-is-terrifying.html

caption: “”“AI is itself significantly accelerating AI progress”“”

wow I wonder how you came to that conclusion when the answers are written like a Fallout 4 dialogue tree

• “YES!!!”
• “Yes!!”
• “Yes.”
• "               (yes)"