🔗 David Sommerseth

@0x0 @codeinabox it wouldn’t be EEE in this case. Because a Linux distribution is built up around thousands of packages from hundreds of various open source projects.

For EEE to work, the entire base OS stack would need to be extended with features not becoming useful outside Microsoft’s use. Such changes would first of all have a really hard time being accepted in upstream projects. And if they did, these projects would be forked if the last E phase in EEE is triggered. And then Microsoft would be alone with their Frankenstein distribution monster while the majority of the Linux users moves on to something better.

With Linux, there is no single instance of control or power. If a project takes a path people don’t like, it get forked. EEE requires Microsoft to cease full control of all the related pieces and components and kill the open source aspects of it.

That’s the advantage of open source licences. Once the source is out in the public, you can’t retract the source code afterwards, then it just forks.

@mmmm @codeinabox Sure it can.

Microsoft can distribute their Windows Desktop Environment for Linux in a repository they control. And that repo can even contain just the binaries, with their own proprietary licence. These packages can further have dependencies to other open source packages.

If Microsoft ends up with their own Linux distribution or just mirrors an existing distro (like what Alma/Rocky does with RHEL, or Ubuntu with Debian) … That depends on how much control they want over the Linux distro base OS.

But they certainly have the possibility to add a Windows experience as an alternative to GNOME, KDE, Cinnamon, XFCE, etc, etc, building on top of a shared base OS layer. As well as providing WINE like layers to make existing Windows programs run in that environment.

@jon@vivaldi.net I use a plethora of browsers.

I’m migrating fron Firefox to LibreWolf (sorry, I prefer non-chrome based browsers), but have a Ungoogled Chromium as a backup those times Firefox/LibreWolf doesn’t cut it (I thought the world had learnt a lesson from the IE days; seems we need to educate a new generation web hipsters).

On Android I use the default browser (in @e_mydata@mastodon.social) for a few news/blog sites, Mull and Vivaldi for some other sites and DuckDuckGo when searching. Default browser is Mull with Privacy Mode enabled by default.

I honestly don’t like that the Chrome based browsers seems to be dominating these days. We need a heterogeneous web render environment to ensure a single dominant player dictates how things will be for users.

And without such competition, I fear there will be a lesser drive to further improve browsers. Just like when Netscape seemed too complacent with their own browsers back in the days.

@BartrandDuGuesclin @monty33

Have you tried Proton Docs? While not the exact same thing as Standard Notes, the editing and history seems to be quite similar. All “notes” files are stored in Proton Drive too.

Or are there other features in Standard Notes not to be found in the Proton suite?

@abobla

I kinda struggle to believe it’s that difficult. I mean, Tresorit has a pretty good and functional Linux client. What have they done which makes it sustainable for them?

Filen.io also has a pure sync-client, which is distributed as an AppImage. This also works, but the FUSE integration Tresorit provides is quite awesome and performing quite decently.

I would actually recommend Proton to start the development on an older Linux distro. Like RHEL/Alma/Rocky 9 or Debian 11 (which is EOL, though) and make it run there. Moving from that distro to newer distros will then go smother and you’ll get other distros supported quicker.

The mistake too many Linux efforts does is to take the “latest and greatest” distro version - often coupled with what a single Linux developer considers the “most used distro” and then hits lots of challenging when needing to support older distros. That’s going to be painful.

@protonprivacy Please take note and forward to Andy and other managers.

@Dave It actually works quite nicely with Tresorit. And the latency lag is acceptable.

I’ve been doing this via Rclone + Jotta Cloud with Rclone encryption, which still works better than Rclone + Proton Drive. But not as smooth as Tresorit. Rclone + Backblaze B2 + encryption is also better than the Proton Drive approach.

I’ve also used this approach in read-only mode with @borgmatic too, which is a great way to restore data from a backup. And that’s almost as smooth as Tresorit (even though a very different use case).

@Dave @apples_and_pears

I’ve used Rclone with Proton Drive to mount a directory … it is dreadfully slow. Maybe directory/file sync (where copies are both places) are better.

I cannot recommend Rclone for Proton Drive in “mount mode” currently.

@protonprivacy This is why I’m still using Tresorit on Linux … One of two reasons (the other one is access to shared folders with read/write access).

@Dark_Arc @bl4kers

I can understand the confusion. But it kinda makes sense… if my hypothesis is correct.

Proton Drive has the concepts of “My Files” and “Computers”. Files stored under “Computer” (where you can have synced files for up to 10 computers, according to docs) tracks the files for each computer individually.

So when you uninstall Drive and delete the files, they are only stored in the cloud. But after reinstalling it again, it sees the files locally for that computer is gone … so it gets removed in the cloud.

Had these files been moved to “My Files” in before the reinstall, this should not have happened.

At least, that’s my theory.

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@nailoC5

Where and when?

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