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  • They are irrelevant.

    They are inconvenient to your argument. This is you dismissing evidence in order to preserve a worldview. Practically the definition of being close minded.

    You don’t try to stop something you support.

    She didn’t try to stop it, that would require holding the aggressors accountable for their actions. If there’s no accountability, why wouldn’t they just pick up where they left off?

    Do you expect that Netanyahu would step down from power if we asked?

    Yes. If the USA, the world’s largest superpower and Israel’s biggest benefactor and arms dealer, were to demand he step down, I don’t think he would feel he had much choice. Maybe he’d try to start a war because of it, but it wouldn’t last very long. Assuming we actually had intention behind the demand.


  • Working for peace is the exact opposite of contributing to the conflict.

    I was actually trying to use a neutral phrase. Meaning that it would be possible to have a positive contribution to resolving the conflict. As I think I’ve made clear, I don’t believe it was positive overall because of a few factors I’ve tried to lay out. Can you say that you aren’t skipping over factors I’ve presented to come to your conclusion?

    Killing 4.4 to 5.3 million Nazis was part of that achievement. It was not achieved peacefully. Thankfully “Nazi” isn’t an ethnicity, but Israeli Jews are and ethnic group.

    That was the war that got us to the place where we were able to make demands of the state and hold them accountable for their actions. At the moment, it doesn’t seem like war is required to give the US that kind of sway over the state of Israel.





  • Can you think of a time a VP came out and directly contradicted their President’s foreign policy?

    Is that a good thing? Is that acceptable even when it includes standing by genocide? But when she’s running her own campaign seems an excellent time to distinguish herself from her predecessor. Especially when she got that spot because polling showed Biden couldn’t win. Even more when she’s specifically asked what she’d have done differently per my source from earlier.

    Yes, that is counterfactual. Stopping the war was always the ultimate goal. Pauses were just the compromise.

    1. The war will not stop as long as both exist. The past 75 years of conflict have shown that. The goal as stated was only ever going to end with pauses.

    2. That’s still compromising with and defending the genociders. This evergreen meme

    Also this quote feels relevant





  • It seems you and I have different ideas of what enabling genocide looks like. Your opinion seems to be that her working for a ceasefire means she worked for peace. I find that argument weak partially because that was her just doing her job (unsuccessfully), and the ceasefire was only ever temporary and lacked justice (a prerequisite for peace). My opinion is that siding with the genociders counts as enabling genocide. She had the power to speak against Israel and show support for Palestine but did not use that power, she used her voice to say that Israel has the right to war. I also assume she had some power at the DNC and didn’t use it to let a Palestinian speak. Everything I know about what her positions were, based on what she said, her input to the public discourse, puts her firmly on the side of Israel, the genociders.

    You can disagree with my opinion, but I haven’t made any statements that are “unequivocally wrong”. The paragraph above is the first time I tried to represent anything but my own opinion, and I still don’t think I did a strawman with it.





  • Voting is not supporting and my state went blue so no I didn’t. Also that’s not relevant to the conversation at hand. The point is that she was a shitty candidate that supported genocide and mostly ran on not being Trump. But when people correctly point that out, many such as yourself get more angry at that person instead of the shitty candidate. What it feels like is you’re married to the dnc, and when someone accurately tells you that they’re abusive and they’re cheating on you, you shoot the messenger.

    No one is inspired to vote for the lesser evil. Be mad at the dnc for running a campaign of “we’re not going to help anyone but at least we’re not Trump” instead of actually trying to be good. Working people are your allies, not the elite trying to divide us with stupid electoralism.