I’ve changed it, but Nitter sites have often been incredibly unreliable in my experience. Not much use in a url if it breaks randomly, so I also put the original link in the main post just in case.

I’ve changed it and added original link in the post in case nitter instance fails/people want original url.

Literally in the post you’re responding on:

I also remind dipshit Democrat defenders to hold Democrats to account. They ran a failed election campaign. They decided adhering to genocide was more important than winning. This is how they respond to their base expecting literally anything of them, is to resent them and tell them to shut the fuck up and plead there isn’t anything they can do so they just have to roll over.

What is it with you fucking morons who incessantly turn every criticism of the Demcoratic party into some insane notion that purely by virtue of existing they are owed votes? That’s not how politics works. That’s not how election campaigns work. Also, do do you think the organisations doing this didn’t campaign for Democrats? Do you have any reading comprehension?

You did nothing. Now, this is what you get.

Liberals and wishing harm on others when they fail.

“You did nothing” Did you phonebank? Did you go canvassing at all? Did you deliver or distribute campaign material? Did you incessantly post online enough about how it’s your duty to vote Democrat, the most significant and important contribution to every election campaign?

No? Oh, you’re just still whining months after the fact that because you saw liberal orgs that actually did campaign for Democrats are not satisfied with how Democrats are responding to Republicans and the excuses they keep making?

Well, this is what you get. Clearly you just didn’t want it enough.

Liberals turning into “fake news!!” idiots when faced with direct quotes of Democrats literally telling their base to fuck off and stop expecting anything of them.

The article directly cites at least 2 liberal orgs directing people to call Democratic politicians to do as much as they can to oppose Republicans, and directly quotes multiple Democrats directly relating to this and trying to insist there’s nothing they can do. I don’t know what more you want.

They won’t because they’re the ones making money from it. The only reason they care about this is likely because they don’t get money from ads as they don’t have any related advertising business like Google and Apple does.

It’s the same as when they kicked EA off of steam. EA allowed buying DLC without going through Steam. If they’re not getting a cut, but you are being hosted/distributed by them, they don’t want it.

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There was absolutely zero chance that any politician with a chance of winning was going to side will Palestine. Full stop. The Harris campaign was the best option anyone had for any semblance of a peaceful resolution to this.

So there it is. You just get to declare genocide as inevitable to suggest other people shouldn’t or can’t care. It’s always the same fucking bullshit - you’re the noble Palestinian defender with their best interests at heart, whilst declaring them an acceptable target we should just not have to really care about or show any interest in. The typical Democrat approach of “I care about minorities only as far as I can throw them”.

Trump wants to speed run the genocide so he can build a resort.

And according to yourself, Democrats were going to genocide them anyway. So what’s with the faux concern? It was inevitable regardless. Anybody who cared just needed to suck it up and accept mass murder and expulsion of a people. Actually the Democrats lost because you cared too much.

As always, there’s a scapegoat to show the Democrats can never fail. They can only be failed. It was Bernie bros in 2016 that singularly caused the Democrats to lose. Now in 2024 it’s anybody who cared about Palestinians.

If Palestine was your single issue that caused you not to vote against fascism, you’re a moron and are complicit in the upcoming genocide in the US. Full stop.

Again, wild that dipshits like yourself don’t hold Democrats in power to account. Are the Democrats not morons for refusing to budge on genociding Palestinians? Are Democrats not complicit in their actions and their campaigning? Democrats signed on to the Laken Riley act. Fetterman spent months taunting people who cared about Palestinians and calling everyone who criticised Israel terrorist supporters and Hamas. Democrats ran ads saying they’re against trans people whilst also claiming to be defending and speaking for them. They ran anti-immigrant ads talking about immigrants stealing welfare. Kamala when asked about anti-trans laws answered “they should follow the law”.

Because look what happened. Did sticking it to the Harris campaign change anything for the better at all?

Did Democratic leadership sticking it to their base and their voters change anything for the better at all? Look what happened. They still lost even after caping for genocide!

People aren’t controlled by political leaders. Choosing not to support the only legitimate option that wasn’t fascism is a stupid way to stick it to the leaders.

Who said they were?

Yes, the democrats ran a bad campaign, but that’s a shit excuse to not fight against fascism.

And the democrats had the most means to do so, including as part of an election campaign they fucked.

People like you lack any concept of prioritization. If someone throws a molotov cocktail through your window, you don’t try to fix the window before putting out the fire. If you let the house burn down you can never fix the window.

People like you lack any concept of power and responsibility, or systems and systemic thinking. You’re right dude, it’s me, the only person in the world who could have stopped fascism in the US by voting for Democrats, despite the actual voting numbers severely outnumbering me, and despite the fact that the campaign wasn’t even (singularly) decided by people voting with regards to Palestine, and also despite me literally being in the UK and not having the legal or practical ability to vote in US elections, fucking numbnuts.

The only concept, and the only thing you seem to have the brain power for, is thinking exclusively in terms of individuals who you encounter online that you can shout at for criticising Democrats by suggesting it was their fault Democrats lost. Liberals right now are like someone who sees news of a horrific accident involving a lorry’s brakes malfunctioning, crashing into oncoming traffic, who then go about roaming the streets lashing out at random lorry drivers shouting “YOU DID THIS!!!” as the appropriate response. And if anyone says “people who are in charge of the vehicles should bear some responsibility for the functioning of the lorries” you lash out at the person who says that and claim it’s actually their fault now.

What drugs are you on?

Why is it so hard for you to hold people with power accountable for their own actions, as compared with incessantly lashing out at random voters online? Why are you liberals so head in the sand delusional that you refuse to engage with any insight or critique of the Demcoratic party, how it operates, and the decisions that leadership are clearly responsible for keep making?

I didn’t decide what Kamalas campaign message was. I didn’t decide how she spent the money. I didn’t decide that ethnically cleansing Palestinians was too important a position to sacrifice after their own base and literally people within the state department told them repeatedly it was bad policy and bad electorally. No one single person or voter who you decide to fixate on and lash out at online because you got mad at seeing criticism of Democrats meaningfully changed the outcome of the election themselves. How Democrats chose to campaign did.

I don’t know, ask the Democratic party if ushering in fascism was the solution to not wanting to move away from endorsing genocide. Ask the Democratic party if ushering in fascism was the solution to not wanting to run a campaign that might have put them at odds with the lobbyists who pay them, including Kamalas brother-in-law, Ubers chief legal counsel who helped run the campaign. Ask the Democratic party if ushering in fascism was worth moving right on immigration and trans rights only to lose anyway.

lmao like the projected assumptions I was from the US and voted in the election?

Again, did you think you were doing something that the 100+ comments in this thread hadn’t already litigated, fucking moron?

I am talking about a decision you made, as an individual

Jesus christ you’re a fucking moron. I’m not American. I can’t vote in US elections. I’m from the UK. I didn’t vote for Labour because they were also endorsing genocide. They still won the election.

What good was your principled stand? What on Earth was improved? What harm was minimized? Pounding the table about how bad things already were doesn’t change that they are now worse.

Why do you not ask those questions of Democratic party and its leadership, people who have actual power compared to random nobodies asked to tick a box once every 4 years?

What good was your principled stand (materially supporting and endorsing genocide)? What harm was minimised (murdering tens of thousands of Palestinians to defend Israel from consequences)? Pounding the table about how bad things are doesn’t change the way they keep getting worse (Democrats keep doubling down on genocide and being more racist, regardless of if they win or lose, and never change strategy).

There’s also the idiot Arabic groups that helped get Trump in power by demonizing Harris then are all shocked Pikachu when Trump turned out to be exponentially worse.

“Demonising Harris” here is a shitty euphemism for “Democrats refused to stop supporting genocide then told any and all voters, but especially Arab voters who might have particularly cared, to fuck off”, with the shocked pikachu in practice being Democrats who are surprised when telling voters to fuck off over concerns about genocide did not help them turn out the vote to beat Trump.

Then being racist about those same minorities by blaming the election loss on “Arabic groups” after monstering them as saboteurs and belittling their concerns repeatedly.

Almost like anyone with 2 brain cells could have told you that’s both bad policy and bad campaign strategy.

In an Oct. 16 memo, the leading super PAC supporting Ms. Harris raised alarms about being outspent on television. The group, Future Forward, said in the memo, which was first reported by The Washington Post, that it would be “difficult for anyone” but the Harris team to close the gap because of the higher ad rates that super PACs pay.

It was hardly Future Forward’s only frustration. Another memo, issued days later, pointed out “very high-performing ads that have yet to get a big spend.” One ad, Future Forward said, had ranked in the “100th percentile” — meaning it was the most effective — yet it had virtually never been aired.

Campaign officials, meanwhile, were frustrated that Future Forward sat on so much of its money until the final weeks, forcing the campaign to spend more on the airwaves earlier.

Another Harris challenge: After raising $1 billion in less than three months, a bevy of consultants, allies and others were often angling for a cut, including the chairman of the Democratic Party in Philadelphia. In September, the Harris operation contributed almost $25 million to other party committees, in part to quiet those demands.

Some media allies of Ms. Harris were also paid. Areva Martin, who hosts a talk show, was paid $200,000 as a media consultant, and she went on a battleground-state tour in October.

https://www.nytimes.com/2024/11/17/us/politics/harris-campaign-finances.html

Typical left-wing economic agenda items like “living wage,” “affordable housing,” “paid family leave,” or “union jobs” dropped out of Harris’s vocabulary in the weeks after Labor Day. Tracking the use of more neutral terms relating to the economy — like “wages,” “jobs,” and “workers” — we see a trend line that slopes upward into early September before declining over the following weeks. By October, Harris was spending less of her time campaigning with Shawn Fain and Bernie Sanders than she was with Republican Liz Cheney and billionaire Mark Cuban, unlikely candidates to push any kind of progressive economic message, let alone a populist one. Cuban was gleeful enough to declare that the “progressive principles . . . of the Democratic Party . . . are gone. It’s Kamala Harris’s party now.”

This pivot wasn’t merely rhetorical: donors, consultants, and business-connected campaign staff pushed Harris to “clarify” or de-emphasize previous statements indicating support for a slate of popular policies on price controls; capital gains, corporate, and wealth taxes; and a host of other issues. Harris’s vague suggestions that she would engage in price controls to bring down inflation were watered down into a policy that already exists in most states that prevents businesses from profiteering on natural disasters. Her gestures toward taxing the wealthy became a capital gains tax proposal of 28 percent, far lower than the Biden administration’s proposed 40 percent; and she never took a position on Biden’s proposal to tax unrealized capital gains. And as time went on, the candidate spoke less and less frequently about her watered-down price-gouging proposal or her commitment to taxing the rich.

https://jacobin.com/2024/11/harris-campaign-economic-populism-democracy/

While in Michigan, Clinton criticized Palestinian and Arab-Americans who oppose the Biden-Harris Administration’s support for Israel’s war on Gaza, which has killed at least that 43,000 Palestinians, most of them women and children, and rendered much of Gaza uninhabitable.

In a speech yesterday, Clinton argued that Israel was justified in not keeping “score” of civilian casualty counts in Gaza due to Hamas’ October 7th attack. He also claimed civilians have been killed because they were used as human shields despite the fact the Israeli government has engaged in what even President Biden admitted was “indiscriminate” bombing, destroying mosques, churches, schools, hospitals, and refugee camps.

He also justified Biden administration’s support for the Israeli government’s genocide in Gaza by arguing that Israelis had lived near Gaza since “before [Islam] existed,” citing King David and referring to the Holy Land as “Judea and Samaria,” a term used by far-right Israelis who oppose a Palestinian state. Clinton stated that President Biden was fulfilling his “duty” to Israel by providing unconditional military support.

https://www.cair.com/press_releases/cair-condemns-bill-clintons-insulting-and-islamophobic-justification-of-gaza-genocide/

“Arabic groups” didn’t decide the Democratic parties campaign message. “Arabic groups” didn’t decide where Democrats spent their campaign money. “Arabic groups” didn’t ask for Bill Clinton to lecture them about Judea and Samaria and how it belongs to Israel, nor did “Arabic groups” emphasise running an entire slate of Republicans at the DNC, whilst refusing just one Palestinian American speaker that would have effectively endorsed Harris on behalf of the uncommitted movement on stage. “Arabic groups” didn’t tell Democrats to downplay their economic messaging for fear of upsetting lobbyists and rich donors feelings.

What the fuck are you on?

The Israeli army intensively bombarded residential areas in Gaza when it lacked intelligence on the exact location of Hamas commanders hiding underground, and intentionally weaponized toxic byproducts of bombs to suffocate militants in their tunnels, an investigation by +972 Magazine and Local Call can reveal.

The investigation, based on conversations with 15 Israeli Military Intelligence and Shin Bet officers who have been involved in tunnel-targeting operations since October 7, exposes how this strategy aimed to compensate for the army’s inability to pinpoint targets in Hamas’ subterranean tunnel network. When targeting senior commanders in the group, the Israeli military authorized the killing of “triple-digit numbers” of Palestinian civilians as “collateral damage,” and maintained close real-time coordination with U.S. officials regarding the expected casualty figures.

Some of these strikes, which were the deadliest in the war and often used American bombs, are known to have killed Israeli hostages despite concerns raised ahead of time by military officers. Moreover, the lack of precise intelligence meant that in at least three major strikes, the army dropped several 2,000-pound bunker-buster bombs that killed scores of civilians — part of a strategy known as “tiling” — without succeeding in killing the intended target.

[…]

Israel’s efforts to maximize the chances of killing senior militants hiding underground also included attempts to crush parts of a tunnel network and trap the targets inside. Sources described incidents where vehicles fleeing an attack site were bombed without specific intelligence about who was inside, based on the assumption that a senior Hamas figure might be trying to escape.

“The entire region felt and heard the explosions,” Abdel Hadi Okal, a Palestinian journalist from Jabalia who witnessed several major Israeli bombing operations — which Palestinians often refer to as “fire belts” — during the early weeks of the war, told +972 and Local Call. “Entire residential blocks were targeted with heavy missiles, causing buildings to collapse and fall on top of each other. Ambulances and Civil Defense vehicles were unable to contend with the scale of the bombardment, so people had to use their hands and some light equipment to pull bodies from under the rubble of houses. There was no possibility for anyone to survive.”

https://www.972mag.com/tunnels-hamas-lethal-gas-bombs-gaza/

If you cared about Palestinians, you’d have supported the uncommitted movement a year ago. Instead, you’re here wasting everyones time lashing out at randoms on the internet because the Democrats campaign failed due to their own choices.

Did you even bother to look at the 100+ comments already in this thread, to realise you’re just the same as the other fucking morons who think random people on the internet criticising Democrats are the ones solely responsible for the Democrats losing the election? That it was their fault Democrats refused to move from endorsing genocide?

Lol. Come on now, don’t be deliberately obtuse.

Referencing a fact is not being obtuse, nor is referencing Trumps lead negotiator, who literally directly credited Bidens team as “doing most of the work” on the ceasefire. Pretty much everyone has recognised it came out in the end as a joint effort, aside from Trump himself.

Ok. I don’t know how many times I have to tell Yanks that actions are more important than words.

I’m not a yank, and the actions are the multiple murders Israel has already committed of Palestinians in breach of the ceasefire, the fact that all of Trumps appointees are obscenely pro-Israel well beyond even Biden, that everyone involved is saying the aim is still to eliminate Hamas and the war is not going to end, and they are literally right now planning for a takeover of Gaza and the West Bank by Israel and the US.

Like what are you even arguing at this point? That Israel is genuinely going to stop ethnically cleansing Palestinians? That Trump cares to stop them? That his appointees care to stop them? Are you lost and confused and think I’m defending Biden on Israel?

The ceasefire started before Trump took office, and regardless, both effectively mean the same thing when they refer to a ceasefire. A pause before they both continue to ethnically cleanse Palestinians.

Apologies, it came across as sarcastic but in the direction of defending DNC.

Cool that people making a principled stand to engage with a political party to encourage a change in policy are at fault for the leaders of that political party refusing to change policy, despite being told at multiple levels, for a multitude of reasons, including electorally, why that policy was bad.

Liberals hate democracy. Expecting to engage with a political party to affect change? Ew, just tick the box with a D next to it regardless of what they do or say. Don’t you know trying to engage with a party that doesn’t listen to its base or membership might lead to bad PR and might hurt them in an election? How could you be so inconsiderate? Your role is just to sit down and do nothing and accept whatever they say is true on MSNBC.

Because Democrats have done nothing to pressure him into changing his position, and Democrats like Fetterman have absolutely been at the forefront of all the attempts to blame people who cared about Palestinians enough to try and get Democrats to change policy for their campaign and policy failures.

I’m sorry, but no, you do not have to hand it to 'em.

Trumps ceasefire is the same as Bidens. A temporary pause before Israel decides to resume it’s ethnic cleansing of Gaza and The West Bank. He will support them to the same or greater degree as Biden. Everyone he’s appointed directly refers to Israel controlling Gaza and the West Bank from now on, having just announced they want Palestinians to “voluntarily” leave.

Biden and the democrats can get fucked, but you don’t have to be a moron and double down on Trump being somehow better. He isn’t.