City streets are the testing ground for hundreds of self-driving cars in California, despite safety concerns and gray areas surrounding traffic laws.
  • @jet@hackertalks.comEnglish
    19•6 months ago

    Why would a driverless car ever get a traffic ticket? Surely the police would file a bug report. Obviously the purpose of a traffic ticket is safe driving and not revenue generation

  • @CluelessLemmyngEnglish
    12•6 months ago

    How? Red light and speed cameras already automatically send tickets to registered owners without actually getting a picture of the driver. These cars still must be registered to some entity.

    • PerhyteEnglish
      4•6 months ago

      I assume it’s because the traffic laws were written so that it’s illegal for a driver to do certain things. If so, owners of driverless cars could (at least theoretically) fight the tickets in court due to the lack of a driver to ticket?

      If I were a judge I’d be tempted to consider the driver to be the person (or company) that caused such a car to drive on the public street, despite them not necessarily being inside the car at the time of the offense. After all, at some point in this process a person was involved even if it was someone at the manufacturer activating a “drive to the person who bought you” feature. (If it was an AI, then whoever created the AI and allowed it to do that, etc.)

      But then again I have no legal training whatsoever, so perhaps that ruling would get me kicked off the bench or at least overruled on appeal :þ.

  • AutoTL;DRBEnglish
    4•6 months ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:

    An internal memo from San Francisco Police Chief Bill Scott, obtained by the NBC Bay Area Investigative Unit, instructs officers that “no citation for a moving violation can be issued if the [autonomous vehicle] is being operated in a driverless mode.”

    “We’re using the public square basically as a laboratory for trial and error,” said Sen. Dave Cortese, D-San Jose, who recently launched a probe into how the DMV both issues and revokes permits for driverless car companies in California.

    In August, state regulators gave the green light for General Motors’ Cruise and Google’s Waymo to expand and start collecting fares as their fleets of robotaxis shuttle passengers across San Francisco.

    While the move was voluntary in Arizona and Texas, Cruise was forced to take its vehicles off the road in California after regulators determined its driverless fleet posed an “unreasonable risk to public safety.”

    The move stemmed from an accident on Oct. 2, when a hit-and-run driver in San Francisco struck a pedestrian, launching the woman into the direct path of a Cruise driverless vehicle, which then ran her over.

    “As a company, we are committed to full transparency and are focused on rebuilding trust and operating with the highest standards when it comes to safety, integrity, and accountability and believe that new leadership is necessary to achieve these goals,” a Cruise spokesperson said in a statement.

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