Russia and other nations are working on “sovereign Internet” systems that threaten digital rights—and the stability of the global Internet 
    • photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      English
      9·
      3 years ago

      Nah, the bot farms and hacker groups would still have access to the goal net. It’s just the Russian populace that would get cut off from the rest of us, nothing even a VPN could fix.

      • vacuumflowerEnglish
        5·
        3 years ago

        A satellite dish can fix some things, but you’d need an uplink still. So to a large extent back to “enemy voices”.

        That’s theory, in practice these people are impotent and can’t themselves work in such an environment.

        • skillissuer@lemmy.worlddeleted by creatorEnglish
          4·
          3 years ago

          i don’t know what that was comment was about, but you can use satellite downlink to transmit data, like this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toosheh

          it’s unidirectional so it’s more of an cold war era radio free europe in spirit but with modern technology in some way

          • vacuumflowerEnglish
            5·
            3 years ago

            an cold war era radio free europe

            Which is literally what was jokingly called “enemy voices” in USSR, the comment was about this exactly, and yes, I was thinking about the thing you linked.

  • vacuumflowerEnglish
    63·
    3 years ago

    No it’s not. This is similar to “Russia trying to have a new moon program”. Not happening ever.

    The first part may happen, the second part - ahahaha.

    I live in Russia.

    • cyberpunk007@lemmy.worldEnglish
      261·
      3 years ago

      “Russian trying to build its own LAN” is the way I read it lol. You can’t have “inter” with no other peers.

      • vacuumflowerEnglish
        24·
        3 years ago

        Large intranets are not a problem (that’s how it was in the beginning in many places, rather fast and unlimited access to LAN resources, chats etc, but slow and expensive to the Internet), it’s just that nothing inside Russia is going to be self-sufficient.

        Also every dick without balls in a chair will try to get some control or share or get a bribe or just prevent this from happening so that his relative or something would get the contract.

        This wasn’t a factor with the large Internet being accessible (unbeatable competition), but will be with intranets (or a countrywide intranet). Nothing will get built. In the 90s such dicks simply didn’t understand that this is a good business, so they allowed it to grow (still all the major telecom providers that survived had some connections with FSB etc, or so people say).

        • astral_avocado@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
          6·
          3 years ago

          Also true if you consider the absolutely massive cost and effort it took China to get where they are with their Great Firewall. From what can be gleaned they also have a huge workforce of people monitoring communications as well in order to keep their internet safe for the state and “sanitized”.

  • Yewb@kbin.social
    637·
    3 years ago

    Removing russia from the internet would solve many problems for everyone else just not Russia

    • stevecrox@kbin.social
      45·
      3 years ago

      Reading the article that isn’t the goal.

      They are working on controlling access to the wider internet. The goal is to push people off of western services on to ones they control. This is so they can control the information their citizens see

      They wouldn’t stop Russian bot farms or hacking.

  • tateEnglish
    471·
    3 years ago

    They just want to remove their citizens from the internet, not themselves. It’s too useful for disinformation and general fuckery.

  • denast@lemmy.worldEnglish
    36·
    3 years ago

    Russian here. This is a super old claim from our government and is a common source of jokes, it’s even called “Cheburnet” (from Cheburashka) colloquially, nobody really treats such claims seriously. Last time Russian government tried to influence internet was when they struggled to ban telegram for several years, and ended up giving up, endorsing it, and moving their official resources to it.

  • amendment64@lemmy.worldEnglish
    384·
    3 years ago

    Okay, while I’m not a fan of a fragmented internet, I am a fan of losing all the russian trolls that plague many parts of the internet and online gaming. Counterstrike and similar games will lose their saltiest players too!

    • atyaz@reddthat.comEnglish
      25·
      3 years ago

      Unfortunately I don’t think this means they will stop trolling the actual internet, even if they block it from their own country

    • Tyfud@lemmy.oneEnglish
      15·
      3 years ago

      Reposting my reply to someone else on this topic for visibility:

      The Russian scammers are using a ton of proxies and VPNs. Unfortunately, this change will not affect them unless the Russian government completely removes access to the global Internet, and even then, the corruption is so deep that many officials will be selling access to the global Internet to their friends or people with with money.

      Russian scammers and social media manipulators are here to stay, likely because they’re largely state run initiatives and they’ll still have access to the global Internet.

      What this does is keep the normal Russians insulated from the rest of the world and unable to coordinate outside of their own country, where everything they do is even more tightly controlled by the government.

    • vsg@lemmy.worldEnglish
      51·
      3 years ago

      1- All countries have trolls, in one degree or another.
      2- That will also affect the Russian population, who will become even more isolated and powerless.

    • aelwero@lemmy.mlEnglish
      21·
      3 years ago

      God damn bud, thats the best comment I’ve seen in a long damned time :)

    • iopq@lemmy.worldEnglish
      62·
      3 years ago

      China only blocks most popular websites, they don’t block random personal pages

      • callmepk@lemmy.worlddeleted by creatorEnglish
        8·
        3 years ago

        They do though, some of personal blogs i follow also banned in China; There is a saying in my circle of friends in Mainland China that the blog is “certified by Great Firewall of China” if a person’s blog got blocked

      • astral_avocado@lemmynsfw.comEnglish
        7·
        3 years ago

        They also monitor internet communications and you can get your account deleted or a police visit if you post something to critical of the state. That’s probably irresistibly attractive to Putin.

        In my time working at a hosting provider we would get these very strange requests from the Russian government demanding Russian websites customers had with us be taken down for moral violations. Like a DMCA but for free speech.

  • AnonymousLlama@kbin.social
    18·
    3 years ago

    Terrible situation, even if you’re in the “well it’s Russia so stuff them” camp. Countries moving to their own Internet is a terrible situation, one we’ve seen before with China and their deep censorship of online media.

    • Pastor Haggis@lemmy.worldEnglish
      36·
      3 years ago

      It would be great, but think about it for a second. Russian bots and trolls that are operated by the government will still exist, it’s not like they would cease trying to spread misinformation or destabilizing opinions. So that won’t change at all. This would primarily affect the people in the country who would now be unable to see real news or learn things the government doesn’t want them to.

      I’m all for giving Russia the finger, but I do fear that it won’t actually make anything better for the rest of us and would just make the people worse off.

      • vacuumflowerEnglish
        8·
        3 years ago

        “Thinking for a second”? You are posting this on the Web. Thinking is for losers.

      • zikk_transport2@lemmy.worldEnglish
        41·
        3 years ago

        Russian bots and trolls that are operated by the government will still exist

        I hope I can block whole ASNs originated from orcs land, so I can block those too. Or at least majority of them.

      • febra@lemmy.worldEnglish
        33·
        3 years ago

        I mean, if no normal citizen can access the outside internet then we will know for sure that any connection coming out of Russia has to be a bot. So that would make blocking them much more easier.