Because they don’t get listed by browse.feddit.de you’ll want to browse https://kbin.social/magazines to browse “magazines”, which is what they call communities
e.g. !RedditMigration@kbin.social
or directly, https://kbin.social/m/RedditMigration
Why YSK: Federation literally just synched up thanks to the tireless efforts by @ernest@kbin.social over the past few days.
That is so exciting, all of us playing together in here is such a cool concept.
Does this mean you are posting this on lemmy.world and I am reading it on kbin?
For those of us new to the fediverse, this is so exciting!
Haha yep, this community is hosted on lemmy.world! And you’re commenting from kbin. That’s so cool!
Oh, i actually didn’t know Kbin (despite these posts lol) was being seen from Lemmy. Iirc when i first saw Kbin a few days ago, Kbin could see Lemmy but Lemmy couldn’t see Kbin. Ie it’s like it was a partial federation.
I’m curious on if that was accurate and if it was, what caused it in a technical sense. Given i’m a dev working on some ActivityPub stuff, i’m quite interested in it. Though i’ve not yet used the spec, clearly hah.
It was disabled until mere hours ago!
So does that mean I can see kbin posts in lemmy.world? I’m using the mlem app on IOS btw
It was blocked by kbin having cloudflare DDoS protection enabled to reduce server load. I guess that blocks federation.
Hmm, surely there must be a way to whitelist other instances you want to federate with so they don’t get blocked by cloudflare…
I’m sure you can do that in cloudflare but it’d require whitelisting every Lemmy instance that you want to federate with on kbin’s end, which is a bit much.
Wow this is neat!
How can I tell that a post is from another instance when browsing on Kbin? Just scanning the card for this thread, it isn’t apparent that it’s federated content.
If you have the top bar enabled, you can see it at the top on the right hand side.
It’s super cool! My mind is now blown!
Is looking at the username how you can tell where a post is coming from? I was so confused a while ago with posts saying “something something fellow Beehaw users!” and it was marked as (kbin.social) lol.
I’m still trying to work that out too.
Yeah, that part is a little confusing. Because this is a link aggregation site, it’s currently set up to show the domain of whatever link is in the thread. But if it’s just a text post, because it’s being brought over here it self-reports that we’re looking at kbin.social.
If you have the top bar enabled from settings you can see where you’re currently looking at the top right.
@livus @CodingAndCoffee And now I’m replying to it from Mastodon!
@pieceofthepie@social.n8e.dev @livus@kbin.social @CodingAndCoffee@lemmy.world Oh good, it’s working again! I’m commenting from Calckey.
wow interesting. Mastadon has a decent app in place too doesn’t it? That might be the best usage experience for me actually. Mastadon on the phone, Kbin on a desktop. Especially if it all links up.
@waterbottleonashelf @CodingAndCoffee @livus this is what I’m sticking to as a replacement to reddit/app. I’ve been mainly visiting #kbin on desktop but now that it’s federated, a lot of magazines/threads I follow are showing up in my Mastodon app. This #fediverse stuff is great!
Yup, exactly. Welcome to the fediverse!
Can we please call it literally anything else? I’m tired of “verses”.
@iAmTheTot @CodingAndCoffee @livus @BreadDog It has been the Fediverse long before the other Verses came long.
Universe definitely came along first
@themz true.
Oh, wow, thanks! I love it that my first inter-fediverse communication was you welcoming me, too.
I come in peace :)
Total newb here, how does one collapse comment threads on the web browser version of kbin here? I’ve tried clicking around and don’t see some UI element or anything to indicate how to do such an action.
We don’t have it yet. Kbin is really new, and we kind of swamped the dev with our sudden influx. It’s on people’s wishlists though, so I’m sure we will have it in future!
@livus @CodingAndCoffee and I’m reading this on mastodon!
I was trying to do this on Monday and couldn’t, so I thought it wasn’t possible. But now, here we are, and here it is!
Amazing!
OH THATS how you search for specific magazines on here (I am on kbin)!
Welcome!
Is there a way to collapse comments in kbin?
Not yet. Ernest is still working on improving the UI, but honestly he probably has such a giant pile on his desk that we can’t really tell when what will happen, or if something will be added at all unless he’s currently working on it.
@CodingAndCoffee So nice to be able to comment on this straight from Mastodon, too. Though it’s weird that the existing comments don’t show up on Mastodon when I paste the URL to this post in my search box (t)here.
Crazy that I can reply from KBin and it just works! What a weird system this whole thing is.
Wait… how?
That’s what the fediverse is. That’s how this whole thing works. And why some of us are on kbin, some mastodon, some lemmy, some beehive. The posts you’re seeing now aren’t all from people on Kbin anymore. Fucking interesting, right?
edit I should add, I thought this post WAS ON Kbinsocial. Cause that’s what I’m on. I didn’t even realize this was posted to a lemmy instance.
How’s that for interesting?
It is really interesting. I posted a comment and didn’t even realize it wasn’t on kbin until I scrolled up to go back to the home page. It was seamless. Super fucking cool.
Which is exactly why this is better than Reddit. It’ll definitely have growing pains and long term UX warts, but not being siloed and leashed to someone like Spez’s decisions is a really great feature of the Fediverse.
Yeah, it takes a little bit to wrap your ahead at first (which does seem like a large barrier to tech/change resistant people), but after you get past that it’s amazing!
Lemmy instances don’t pull content (and make the link work) until someone searches for the relevant community.
Lemmy is similar to Reddit. Mastodon is similar to twitter. Is there an easy analog for kbin?
it seems to be an amalgamation of reddit and twitter
they have ‘magazines’ which are like subreddits, but magazines can designate hashtags which appear on the ‘microblog’ tab of a magazine and seem to pull in posts from other fediverse instances such as Mastodon
I’m still learning my way around but that is how I understand it
Wow. That’s a little different. Thanks!
kbin is also similar to Reddit
I tried joining some kbin magazines from here (E.G: https://lemmy.world/c/Aquariums@kbin.social and https://lemmy.world/c/houseplants@kbin.social ). It did work but I’m unable to see any post from those communities. Instead the one you linked ( https://lemmy.world/c/RedditMigration@kbin.social ) works perfectly (even for newest posts/comments). Is there any fix ? EDIT: To add more troubleshooting info, It doesn’t say pending, it correctly says “joined” but still no posts.
The federation/sync of content seem to be slow and work on the newest posts first.
First time I checked https://lemmy.world/c/Cats@kbin.social I only saw one post but now there are four.
And a whole lot more at the original: https://kbin.social/m/CatsYeah but I got to c/Vancouver for example but idk how to subscribe from kbin as I don’t see a button from that :/
I didn’t expect this so soon. Great job, Earnest and team!
Jerboa seems to crash when clicking links with the ! point but I can do it from the desktop browser. This is great!
Smoothest crash ever tho!
Had to try and it yep it is.
This is being worked on on the Jerboa github. Sounds like it’ll be addressed or at least mostly addressed in the next release.
Glad to hear!
That’s looking at the bright side lol
Now I’m curious, can KBin users be mods on Lemmy instances, and can Lemmy users moderate Kbin magazines?
Well I don’t know about that, but “appoint as mod” option still exists when I select your post. Maybe we can make a test community for that haha
I have NO idea what’s happening, but I’ll still be active when it becomes easier!
It basically means that we are seeing content that has been posted or created across the “Fedeverse” for example Lemmy, if i understand correctly (Extremely summarized, there’s more to the federation).
Earlier, we only saw content/posts made locally on Kbin; however, it appears that we are federated, which is providing us content from other instances in the Fedeverse. This very post is from Lemmy.world, but i’m replying to you from Kbin.social, if that makes sense.
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You’re using the Lemmy url syntax instead of the kbin one. Go to the kbin url and copy it exactly as it is, and search within Lemmy for that url.
Does the syntax look like this?
@gaming@kbin.socialI searched for this just now on my home Lemmy and it didn’t work.
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Post some yourself :) we have to move beyond consumption if we want these communities to grow
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@CodingAndCoffee@lemmy.world replying to myself from mastodon!
How…? I think my head just exploded. 🤯
What is a reddit thread if not a root tweet with a bunch of replies (and replies to the replies) formatted in a way that you see the organization of the replies?
I like this idea and the Mastedon app seems much faster to post… that’s really my only wish list item from lemmy right now. I’m figuring that’s a temporary imbalance of increase activity and server bandwidth/speed? I understand we are decentralized but so is Mastodon and at least my instance is very smooth and fast.
I can’t speak to Lemmy’s implementation (I refuse to go near lemmy on account of the maintainers “politics”), but there’s nothing fundamental about threading that should make posting slower.
Loading threads here is… different… work than loading your feed in mastodon, it’s possibly slower, but posting is from a theoretical standpoint the same. Probably you’re just seeing the effect of your lemmy instance not running on sufficient hardware (very understandable given the explosion in user space size).
Can you elaborate on the ‘politics’?
I sense something weird , especially with the hardcoded ‘hate speech’ filter, which seems to run contrary to federation.
Anything else I should know about ?
The broad strokes are here: https://mstdn.social/@feditips/106835057054633379
In addition to the more important issues that fedi-tips discusses I find their stance on anti-vax and US-election conspiracy theories… unappealing, which you can see being discussed here: https://lemmy.ml/post/143057
And that they haven’t been shy about exerting their power for political purposes. The hardcoded slur-filter was explicitly about discouraging “right wingers” (I put that in quotes because I suspect their definition of right wing and mine differ), and they at least use to be open about their intentions to moderate the instances that they run as explicitly “left wing” (though I don’t see a reference to that on the current site).
@AshDene @CodingAndCoffee@lemmy.world @CodingAndCoffee@mastodon.social @Zerlyna @mr_jp I haven’t read what’s in the link yet, but if what you’re saying is accurate then it is worrying. Fortunately kbin exists, where I think you are right now
Oh man , that is disappointing.
I’m certainly not a ‘right-winger’ , but i hate the idea of arbitrary, centralized control of what ‘hate speech’ means .
That doesn’t sound ‘federated’ to me!
The two main devs seem to be Tankies or have at least close views. From what I heard, the hardcoded filter isn’t a thing anymore and was removed after heavy protest from other contributors. The good thing is that they don’t have any control outside their own instance and in worst case people would simply copy the project (since it’s open source) and move on without them. I hope that the different instances + community take a part of the donations to pay independent full time code contributors.
Thanks for the explanation!
It better be BlackCoffee ;)
