Yes, why provide free internet access to check their email and maybe get a reply to their job applications? Better keep them out of work /s
There are so many problems with this.
Far too many homeless people, there is so much wealth in this nation, there is no reason we cannot provide ample shelter. This probably is going to continue to become worse with the disproportionate wealth distribution and the continual increase in use or automation and AI.
Additionally, we should have broader access to wifi, specifically for those who are homeless and need access to online resources, so they can eventually no longer be homeless. Seems like a great federal program opportunity, if we actually want people to be able to recover from being homeless. No one is going to become homeless or stay homeless because of the badass government subsidized wifi.
This seems incredibly self perpetuating on the cities behalf. It’s like making places uncomfortable to sleep upon… Why not invest that money into someplace people can goto sleep and get the assistance they need to exist in society.
Yeah the treatment of the homeless is crazy as hell to me, why kick someone when they’re down? You try finding a job when you can’t find a good place to sleep, a decent place to take shelter from rain or heat, restricted access to the internet and restaurants refusing to give you leftovers. Shit sucks. It was hard enough to find my next job after I got laid off and I fortunately had a month off expenses saved. Imagine if it took me just a little bit longer to find a job and that I didn’t have any friends with room in their house. I would be homeless.
I agree internet, shelter, food and basic medical need to be considered a human right, if you want a productive society wouldn’t you want to help the people getting left before so they can contribute?
For all those times I was going to commit a crime, but the WiFi was out.
What crime is being committed while unhoused folks are online? Cybercrime? Are they pretending to be Nigerian princes?
Read the article, the problem isn’t their online activities but the wifi attracting them to cluster outside the library building. The residents don’t want the homeless hanging around outside the library and turning off the wifi would reduce their incentive to be there.
Maybe instead of taking things away, we should be providing tax funded public wifi in more places. The internet isn’t a luxury anymore, and those without homes still have a right to access it (yeah even at night).
brilliant. it’s practically a utility at this point; i hate going places and seeing weird shitty scam ‘freeATTwifi’ everywhere. public internet now.
Sure, but that’s not the responsibility of the library in question. This article is great, an obvious victim and an obvious villain for easy consumption and allegiance, but there’s definitely more to the story. If the homeless are making the lives of the library staff a living hell then I don’t see a problem with this honestly.
The actions of the library are cowardly and the justifications of the residents in the area are abhorrent. God forbid we do something to help those in need, let’s just push them out of sight instead.
Is existing outside of the library a crime?
classic nimby bs. what they dont realize of course is that getting rid of wifi isnt gonna stop them from congregating, theyll just congregate elsewhere
Which is the point. That’s a win for the NIMBYs who got this policy enacted. It’s literally no longer in their backyard.
The residents don’t want the homeless hanging around outside the library and turning off the wifi would reduce their incentive to be there.
i mean bluntly, sucks to be them? but get over it. homeless people are people too! the obvious solution is to provide them with social services first if this is the objection (which, to be clear, it generally isn’t–it’s that homeless people exist and aren’t out of mind)
What’s the reasoning there? Are people without houses not allowed to use the wifi during the day? Is there something bad that happens if you use the internet without a house at night?
Probably to discourage them loitering around the library at night. That’s the only rationale I can think of.
Well written piece. Homelessness is a multifaceted issue.
I do know that if you have no cell service, having internet / Wi-Fi is essential to stay in touch with others. More communities should offer free Wi-Fi.
Over/under on how many years out we are from the hunger games?
The problem unhoused people face is not nighttime library access it’s housing. We all know that the reason they’re shutting their wifi off at night is because while for some homeless people this wifi is a lifeline, for some others it’s where they get their porn or where they hang out to do drugs and browse the internet. But the fundamental problem remains the same, because they have no where to go home to, whether someone is fapping or connecting with helpful resources, it’s all done in public.
they’re doing it because rich people are scared of unhoused people and want them to disappear or die. no wifi means unhoused people wont hang out around the library means rich people in the area will see fewer unhoused people
it’s revolting and it’s violent. people die when homeless people get bullied out of spaces and harassed by cops.
If you think turning off the wifi is going to stop people from masturbating…
I kind of took it the other way. If they think because I have a roof over my head I’m not watching porn and doing drugs, they would be very mistaken.
That’s exactly how I meant it! Lots of people watch porn and do drugs, it’s not a problem to watch porn in your own house. That’s why I’m saying the problem is housing. The solution isn’t allow people to watch porn and do drugs in public, it’s housing so they can do it in private like normal people.
Not quite to aggressive architecture levels of dickishness, but still.
it’s the exact same thing imo :(
Our local library, which is usually really great, started playing loud classical music at the entrance after hours to shoo away the unhoused. I’m glad they stopped doing that after a couple months; that’s lowered my usually-high opinion of them.
nothing drives me more insane than artificial restrictions placed on digital technology that could otherwise be infinitely helpful
Being honest, I kinda get it. Sure your building is for public use but just because its for public use doesn’t mean it’s a housing complex
housing complex? you’re equating people using wifi outside of a library at night with it being a housing complex?
this is just another effort by another city to chase unhoused people out of an area, rather than, oh i dunno, building a mother fucking housing complex.
your attitude is toxic and it disgusts me. we dont provide housing, and people like you complain and moan about unhoused folk to the point that we have cops chasing them around the city and no way for them to meaningfully interface with the rest of the world. fuck off.
this is just another effort by another city to chase unhoused people out of an area, rather than, oh i dunno, building a mother fucking housing complex.
the bar is actually much lower here technically, because an easy solution would be to just provide the service generally. you don’t even need housing to solve this specific facet of the “problem” (although nobody should be homeless and we should build housing and rehouse them, to be clear!)
Ironic. Frisco has let a LOT slide in that city
I’ve been to places that had free municipal wifi, mostly at libraries and bus stops. It seems like a small service that is generally helpful to people without access to their own wifi. I think the better solution is to have more places with free wifi at night so people don’t have to congregate in the one small area.
There aren’t many places the unhoused are allowed to exist in public and cutting them off from essential services only makes it harder for them to better their situation.
to better their situation
Well, that is, assuming they want to. Some, definitely. Long term loiterers, not so sure.
People who are addicted or who have given up to that degree are less likely to want help if they think real life can only be totally miserable for them (like, “the world is unbearable, there’s nothing good left for me except [drug name here]”). Same reason people who are depressed turn to drinking. Making the lives of unsheltered people even worse, thus making drugs more appealing in comparison, is counterproductive. And the longer they’re stuck in that, the more that’ll just feel like what life is to them.
Maybe people who don’t want to, or don’t act like they want to, better their situation actually would if they could see any hope for it, and if the path looked more doable and less like scaling mount everest with a broken leg.
I think anybody can think of times they didn’t want to do something that would benefit them - clean a house, do their homework, go to work in the morning - and other times that the situation was different and so it was much easier to do.
California wants to help the homeless but they also don’t want to pay for drug treatment, safe injection sites, or psychiatric centers.
California does, right wingers in California do not and they pay MASSIVE amounts of money for advertising campaigns to misrepresent drug treatment, safe injection sites, and psychiatric centers as free drugs and won’t somebody think of the children???
Do you want one of THOSE people to be getting help next door to you? Oh the horror! Don’t you know that junkies sneak off in the night, into your homes in order to stab your children with drug filled needles??? Do you have any idea what it’s like to be near a psychiatric center? I do. My brother’s nieces cousins uncle twice removed on her mother’s side told me that the crazies like to kidnap your children and vandalize your house.
Where did I put my pearls? I’m in desperate need of clutching them.
/Dripping Sarcasm Also source: I live in CA
So we should take away something that is necessary to someone helping themselves (have you tried to apply for a job or take a class without using the internet recently, it’s required), just because some people don’t care about living in squalor?
If all they are doing is “loitering” to use the internet, then they aren’t doing anything wrong. It sounds like the problem is simply the number of people and the neighbors didn’t approve. In that case, the truly win/win option is to provide greater access points to free wifi so people don’t have to congregate in one small area. This outcome only hurts people.
The town nearest to me has free wifi on its main street AFAIK. Can see it being very useful for homeless people.
Internet should already be a human right at this point. It’s a treasure trove of information that really catapults someone who has access to it ahead of someone who doesn’t, meaning internet access is definitely an index of (in)equality.
Probably too tired of cleaning up human shit from around the library. This is SF we’re talking about. There’s literally a poop map
You’ve gotta think that these people would rather use a toilet. Is the public toilet situation in SF really that bad?
Do you live in the states? I’ve never really been to a city where public restroom access is well advertised or even convenient. You’re expected to go inside places of business.
If you’re obviously homeless, ain’t no business letting you in there.
And yes, that’s a typical US tactic. Instead of public services, we give control over to private businesses. But it’s particularly bad in SF, worse than most cities.
There are no public toilets in the vast majority of San Francisco.
It’s bad everywhere.
Do you think people who don’t have access to a bathroom are going to stop shitting?
Seems like the white thing to do
