Well, then we get to the definitions of communism, because neither Soviet Union nor China under CCP have been marxist communists. “True communist state” would be owned by people, not people subjugated to become possessions of a dictator too. Capitalism fucking sucks, but I will rather take the social democratic system I live under now, than a dictator throwing innocent people into camps. (And that applies to the USA too, with their dollar-store government doing their best nazi impression right now.)
Now, if only we could stop being such meek sheep, we could perhaps figure out a system that is not based on exploitation. But that would be not like Capitalist societies, nor anything like Soviet Union or China under CCP.
I got to it, because you compared horrible systems, and claimed one to be communist, while it is not. Soviet Union and China under CCP have been, just slightly differently spiced versions of the same exploitation, that is behind capitalism too.
No I didn’t. Where do I claim to be doing a comparison of horrible systems? Where do I claim one is communist and one is not. I didn’t even originate the thread we’re on. I certainly didn’t say anything about spiced versions of each other. I didn’t come up with these terms.
Capitalism has in all likelihood intentionally killed waaay more people than Communism
we live under the deadlier of the two systems
What are you talking about? You started with comparing capitalism and “communism”, two horrible systems with large kill counts (which you are even using for comparing them). And I am denying the other even was communism, since Soviet Union and China under CCP have both been more close to dictatorships, than the people actually owning their state. They have been as communist as Nazi Germany was socialist - only in name.
And I am the one saying it is pointless, which one is worse, since they are just slightly different flavors of exploitation. It is like arguing about which rotten apple is more rotten, instead of trying to pick fresh ones.
It’s not really about that … I mean, we don’t live under communism, we live under the deadlier of the two systems.
Well, then we get to the definitions of communism, because neither Soviet Union nor China under CCP have been marxist communists. “True communist state” would be owned by people, not people subjugated to become possessions of a dictator too. Capitalism fucking sucks, but I will rather take the social democratic system I live under now, than a dictator throwing innocent people into camps. (And that applies to the USA too, with their dollar-store government doing their best nazi impression right now.)
Now, if only we could stop being such meek sheep, we could perhaps figure out a system that is not based on exploitation. But that would be not like Capitalist societies, nor anything like Soviet Union or China under CCP.
Sounds like you got to that, because you wanted to rant about it out of nowhere. I don’t really get why you’re doing it me. But whatever.
I got to it, because you compared horrible systems, and claimed one to be communist, while it is not. Soviet Union and China under CCP have been, just slightly differently spiced versions of the same exploitation, that is behind capitalism too.
No I didn’t. Where do I claim to be doing a comparison of horrible systems? Where do I claim one is communist and one is not. I didn’t even originate the thread we’re on. I certainly didn’t say anything about spiced versions of each other. I didn’t come up with these terms.
What are you talking about? You started with comparing capitalism and “communism”, two horrible systems with large kill counts (which you are even using for comparing them). And I am denying the other even was communism, since Soviet Union and China under CCP have both been more close to dictatorships, than the people actually owning their state. They have been as communist as Nazi Germany was socialist - only in name.
And I am the one saying it is pointless, which one is worse, since they are just slightly different flavors of exploitation. It is like arguing about which rotten apple is more rotten, instead of trying to pick fresh ones.
That’s not me claiming to be doing a comparison of the two, or saying they’re horrible. But thanks for the clarification on what you were saying.