• moth@anarchist.nexus
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    2 days ago

    moth has always thought it was really weird that UN peacekeepers never actually kept the peace because they couldn’t even defend themselves, let alone innocent civilians around them.

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        18 hours ago

        tell that to the people of Rwanda and Srebrenica, and that’s just to start. they can protect civilians if it doesn’t jeopardize the mandate they have. the problem with that is the UN security council has five members with veto power and a global interest in maintaining many conflicts for the purposes of imperialism. historically, there have been a lot of times when protecting civilians from being brutally murdered wasn’t politically convenient.

        having the legal authority to intervene or even protect yourself doesn’t mean shit if you don’t have the ability or political power to do so. russia is a member of the security council with veto power. the security council oversees UN peacekeepers. the very people the peacekeepers would be protecting civilians from are the people who can veto their ability to protect civilians. which is why, if you carefully read that article, the official never once says they would be allowed to protect civilians, and specifically mentions that any engagements would be “defensive in nature”.

        the UN is a absolutely worthless organization when it comes to stopping powerful countries from doing terrible things. it has absolutely zero ability to protect the civilians in Ukraine from further russian imperialism or ethnic cleansing.

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          9 hours ago

          They are always defensive in nature.

          The idea that the UN hasn’t kept peace is pretty laughable. I’m not sure what you expect it to do - membership is voluntary, and it is 100% better to have a belligerent, antagonist, bad faith enemy sitting at a table with you than not.

          As a citizen and resident of a small nation living beside an antagonist, militant, imperial nation on the security council, the UN is not there to make sure they don’t do anything bad. It’s there so that when they do, they and their citizens hear the consequences.

          None of which has anything to do with Peacekeepers who once deployed do not have to have “approval” to defend themselves or civilians, per the scary long document you didn’t read. Do you want me to find it in a convenient YouTube format for you?

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            if you had bothered to look up even the couple of examples moth provided, you would know they do need approval, and that approval has been denied on more than one occasion. in the case of Rwanda, the commanding officer pleaded to be given the resources to defend the civilians. he was denied for political reasons.

            but if your smug ignorance feels more comfortable to you, then by all means, continue. but moth isn’t going to waste time arguing with someone simping for a powerless bureaucratic PR agency just because it’s controlled by western liberal nations and that makes it above reproach to you. moth supposes your time would be better spent cracking open a history book.

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    No shit. What else are they going to do, just stand there and get shot? There’s also the small matter of getting Russia to agree to a “peacekeeping” force in the first place. Currently that idea remains pure fantasy.

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    Europeans don’t/won’t seem to understand that 1. they lost their Ukrainian proxy war, 2. there wont be any ‘cease-fire’ - only unconditional surrender to Russian demands, and 3. if they sneak in anyway, in what’s left of Ukraine, and shoot at Russia, they’ll be obliterated. EU are done - economically, politically and militarily. The fact that they will only enter when there’s ‘peace’, shows that they can’t do sh*t about anything except huffing and puffing.

    NATO - the whole western hemisphere - controlled by US Oligarchs, lost - big - and killed off their Ukrainian proxy warrior/regime. Simple as that… It’s time for people to start investigating how and what really happened, instead of feeding the echo-chamber and urging for more war, and hence killing more Ukrainians and making things worse locally, and in the world.

    What happened ? In short: US instigated a coup + instigated a Ukraine civil war against Russophones. The purpose was to force Russia to react and US would then induce an Ukraine/EU war against Russia. This was done in an global attempt at weakening the energy producers and friends of China. China is the main threat to US dominance/control. Russia + Iran produced oil/energy and needed to be controlled, and Chinas friends and neighbours in general needed to be weakened and threatened to stop trading with China.

    All of this are actually both described in public US think tank papers going back up to 50 years, and also admitted by officials, bc they can’t stop bragging when they do these thing. The papers from think tanks function as blueprints for actual US Oligarchy engagement around the world.

    However, they failed at every turn except in convincing the population of the US Oligarchy lead western hemisphere, economically attacking smaller countries to make anti-China deals, and to politically coup several countries especially in south America.

    Thus, the whole world situation right now is nothing but US Oligarchy executing their plans to save their short-lived ‘Empire of Lies’, but they are clearly failing at all fronts and the global ‘south’ have risen with China as the new global leader in most areas that matter. In fact, China stands almost unscathed by all the agressive US actions.

    US Oligarchy have spend all their political, military and economic capital, their vassal states in their Empire have been drained (While US sucked up their wealth/ressources) and EU especially are totally f*cked and are entering many many years of economic and social decline, with internal unrest/rebellion which is just starting to show. It will only get worse as resources and rights drain out, and more and more start questiononig the officially induced narrative.

    The only thing left is the US liberal/globalist propaganda apparatus and a deliberately constructed angry western lynch-mob that still believes they know what’s happening, that their official information sources cares about truth, and that their cause therefore is righteous - but unfortunately it was all just the Epstein+ class that once again used mass manipulation through standard US ‘Manufacturing Consent’ methodology (look it up), to manipulate the western population into yet another war fighting for what was essentially just beneficial for the Epstein+ class (Epstein himself was a ‘delivery Boy’ in that class - same as Trump). They’ve done this a dusin times already…

    It is worth mentioning that Trump/reps is just the ‘bad cop’, and obama, biden/dems will be introduced as the ‘good cops’, but both ‘parties’ in US follows the same aggressive Oligarch foreign policies without any deviation, and have done so the last 50-75 years. US will try this blame game switcheroo again - as they always do. “We will do better” - but that is never true, or intended.

    There are oc plenty of information available for those that want to know whats really happening around the world, but those following western for profit media, msm, facebook, google search engines, youtube and so on, will have to spend extra time/energy to dig a little deeper bc the truth are censored in the ‘US empire of lies’. start listening to those you rejected before. It is time to re-evaluate the situation, and direct your anger towards those that really fucked you up - your globalist elites/Oligarchs - wherever you are in the western hemisphere. Supporting the West, Ukraine, or Israel, supporting western style societies/ideology, and hating the enemies of US Oligarchy is the same as supporting Trump and the Epstein+ class in their world dominating anti-freedom, anti-democratic and violent/oppressive fascist hierarchy.