Congratulations on discovering that Racism is a good way to switch off the effects of empathy - if you see others as less than human, it’s easier to look away from their pain.
That said, you do have a point - morality and social norms do influence each other.
That said, most of those examples you give are wonderful examples of things that Abrahamic Religions did absolutely nothing at all to change. Specifically Salvery, death penalty, acceptable conduct in warfare, domestic violence and corporal punishment.
You’re arguing for religion to have shaped the moral values of modern societies whilst at the same time giving examples of ancient values that the main religions said nothing about or even approved of (for example, polygamy is still perfectly fine for Islam, with the Prophet himself having had several wives) so clearly modern day society didn’t change those values because of religion.
If lots of modern day society values don’t match the values of religion, whilst lots match those of some and not others and yet others do match, that shows low correlation between the two which is the very opposite of “the moral values observed in many societies (including Western ones) stem from religious ones” unless you meant just “some” or “a few” and even then you imply a causal relation by using “stem” (i.e. that modern society values derive from religious values) which you do not prove at all. “Both sets of values hail from the same ancient origin” (i.e. that religion picked up existing values over time and some of those lived till modern days, hence why they’re the same in religion and modern society) is a more logical explanation and actually for some values has evidence backing it (for example, read what Ancient Greek Philosophers wrote way before Abrahamic religions).
So your claim is HUGE whilst your arguments keep using examples which actually go against it in doing so disproving the high correlation between one set of values and the other, and on top of that you have zero proof for the causality part of the claim that one set of value stems from the other.
To use your own words: “That’s a claim that requires evidence.”
Congratulations on discovering that Racism is a good way to switch off the effects of empathy - if you see others as less than human, it’s easier to look away from their pain.
That said, you do have a point - morality and social norms do influence each other.
That said, most of those examples you give are wonderful examples of things that Abrahamic Religions did absolutely nothing at all to change. Specifically Salvery, death penalty, acceptable conduct in warfare, domestic violence and corporal punishment.
You’re arguing for religion to have shaped the moral values of modern societies whilst at the same time giving examples of ancient values that the main religions said nothing about or even approved of (for example, polygamy is still perfectly fine for Islam, with the Prophet himself having had several wives) so clearly modern day society didn’t change those values because of religion.
If lots of modern day society values don’t match the values of religion, whilst lots match those of some and not others and yet others do match, that shows low correlation between the two which is the very opposite of “the moral values observed in many societies (including Western ones) stem from religious ones” unless you meant just “some” or “a few” and even then you imply a causal relation by using “stem” (i.e. that modern society values derive from religious values) which you do not prove at all. “Both sets of values hail from the same ancient origin” (i.e. that religion picked up existing values over time and some of those lived till modern days, hence why they’re the same in religion and modern society) is a more logical explanation and actually for some values has evidence backing it (for example, read what Ancient Greek Philosophers wrote way before Abrahamic religions).
So your claim is HUGE whilst your arguments keep using examples which actually go against it in doing so disproving the high correlation between one set of values and the other, and on top of that you have zero proof for the causality part of the claim that one set of value stems from the other.
To use your own words: “That’s a claim that requires evidence.”