On the Sources Podcast with Alex Heath released Tuesday, Altman said that it takes 38,000 ChatGPT queries to use as much water as producing a single almond in California.

“If you look at a modern very large data center, it uses the equivalent amount of water as an office building in terms of, you know, people like running the sinks and the toilets and whatever,” Altman told Heath.

The problem, experts say, is that it’s impossible to verify those numbers given what’s public about the secretive industry.

“The information we have is so limited,” said Shaolei Ren, a professor of electrical and computer engineering at UC Riverside.

Far too many factors affect how much water data centers use to boil it down to any one convenient statistic, Ren said, rattling off a handful of variables: the data center’s location, the temperature outside, the type of cooling system, the length of the prompt, the reasoning required, the output. All affect how much water the data center uses.

“This is the whole reason that these bills need the governor’s signature,” said Michael Kiparsky, director of the Wheeler Water Institute at the UC Berkeley Center for Law, Energy, & the Environment. “There’s no published data — certainly not for California — and what is public seems all over the place.”

“If we know what an almond uses, maybe we can figure out what a data center uses?” said Alex Biering, director of policy advocacy who specializes in water issues for the California Farm Bureau Federation.

Regardless of whether it takes thousands of queries to match the water needed to produce a single almond in California (a number that varies substantially over time and space, according to a 2019 study), the Congressional Research Service says data centers are using more water than they used to.

One study reported the facilities directly used about 17 billion gallons in 2023, up from 5.6 billion gallons in 2014. Another report found that hyperscale data centers could use 150 billion gallons of water from 2025 to 2030 — which is as much water as 4.6 million households use in the U.S. in a year.

Annual water use isn’t the whole story, Ren cautioned. The hottest days, when data centers require the most cooling, can substantially increase peak water demand, according to Ren’s research, which is under review by a scientific journal and available online as a preprint.

“For community water systems, the peak capacity is more important because they need to be designed and built to accommodate the peak demand at all times, similar to our power grid,” Ren said.

Ren’s team found that data center cooling systems could call for 697 to 1.45 billion more gallons of peak water capacity per day. It’s comparable to New York City’s average daily supply, the study says. And unlike irrigation water typically used for farms, water for data centers is often treated, potable water from public water systems, the team reported.

That’s a problem, because water systems across the country — and certainly in California — are “aging, fragmented, and/or financially constrained, thus lacking sufficient available capacity to meet the additional peak water demands of large data centers.”

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    3 days ago

    This is total bullshit. All of it.

    The almond growing industry in California uses 1.5-1.8 trillion gallons of water annually.

    Even if you take the water use figures from the article at face value (17 billion gallons), almonds still use up vastly more water than all AI data centers combined.

    The truth is that almonds need a fuckton of water! Waaaay TF more than any other crop and more than most industries.

    There’s another reason why it’s bullshit: The figures cited include the water used by power plants themselves for cooling. That water is taken from the cooling ponds next to the power plant. It’s not potable water and it was part of the plant’s design.

    Talking about water use when it comes to AI is stupid and distracts from the real problem which is power use! Stop talking about the water already! It’s just going to discredit you when talking about the (real) problems with AI.

    I have a conspiracy theory that the AI companies themselves are promoting these water usage articles because it discredits anyone who speaks out against AI data centers.

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      it’s a specious comparison regardless:

      almonds can be eaten. there’s a useful product that humans consume.

      ai is built on theft, enables theft, and creates headaches like methane power generation, drives costs up around the world for commodity tech like RAM, and undresses children.

      I’ll take almonds every day and twice on sunday.

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    At least I can eat almonds, are queries editable? - Edible, the comment below got me