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I hate that these assholes can manipulate people on an industrial scale anywhere in the world. Nobody is doing shit about it unless you count enabling these companies further.
That’s the result at least in part of ongoing Russian propaganda to sow division.
Each of these incidents is a disaster for the affected individuals, but the number of hate crimes rose from 140 to 180. Using percentage (+30%) for such rare events is disingenuous.
I got an Ukrainian college, she told me polish are more aggressive with her now.
Poland was seriously damaged by Nazi Germany during the WW2.
Now Ukrainian leaders openly hail Nazis. A lil more details here https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-zelenskyy-poland-controversy-nazi-era-name-army/a-77412975
So what kind of a reaction would you expect from Poland?
I think your reading of the situation is a little twisted, but I agree that Zelenskyy has made another poor choice here.
That is, the UPA weren’t Nazis, they were playing the “the enemy of my enemy is my friend” game and trying to take advantage of the destabilised political situation in Europe at the time.
What the UPA did, however, is not forgivable and Zelenskyy should have thought twice about invoking that memory.
Should he? Poland has numerous historic characters responsible for death of Ukrainian civilians, tortures and exploitation of Ukrainian peasants, raping Ukrainian women, intentional permanent maiming and involved in systemic planed denationalization of Ukrainians (which alone fulfills definition of genocide). As a citizen of Poland I can tell you that Poles have tendency to see the mote in their brother’s eye, but not the beam in their own. Characters I have in mind have streets in every Polish city and most of towns. One of them is mentioned in Polish anthem.
What Poles been doing to Ukrainians was horrible and it’s clear to me why it ended how it ended. What saddens me the most is Poles act like their ancestors are pure victims and that their cruelty toward Ukrainians was justified because they saw Ukrainians as wild and uncivilized (despite the fact that Ukraine was culturally and intellectually more advanced whole medieval period and up until later baroque had superior education of lower classes while in Poland even nobility was often lacking in that regard).
Poles been systematically racist and xenophobic toward Ukrainians for centuries. That’s a historic fact.
It’s still poor taste to glorify past transgressions, no matter whether each have given as good (or bad) as they have to each other.
And the last thing Zelenskyy would want is for Poland to decide to ally with Russia. I’m sure Putin would love that. Another few million troops, and then no-one to defend Poland or Ukraine when they’ve both destroyed each other, so he can roll in and take control of both.
Yes, it’s bad yet I don’t see Poland removing Czarniecki (also responsible for pogroms) from their anthem any time soon neither I see streets named after Roman Dmowski, Józef Piłsudski, Józef Haller (his soldiers also participated in pogroms) etc disappearing. I don’t see how “Heroes of UPA” glorifies any transgression any more than “Heroes of AK” would glorify mass murder committed by Polish Homeland Army on Ukrainians (including children and elders) in Sahryń or Pawłokoma and other villages.
No idea where do you see “Ukrainians hailing nazis”. As a citizen of Poland I expect other citizens to stop behaving like bunch of nazis toward people Poles owe a lot in last 4 years.
