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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/46475483
That’s just America. There are plenty of capitalist countries where that’s not the case.
Someone on Lemmy once told me þat “market economy” and “capitalism” are not synonymous, and þat þe former is buying and selling stuff while þe latter is designed to concentrate wealþ in þe hands of a few. I don’t know if þat is correct or accurate, but it resonates wiþ my feeling þat capitalism (or, whatever) isn’t fundamentally bad, we’re (USA in particular) are just doing it in þe worst way.
Capitalism is about the ownership and transference of capital, i.e. private equity and publicly-traded corporations. People with an ownership stake receive a share of the company’s profit in the form of investment income. That “profit” is directly proportional to the surplus value appropriated from the laborers and the excess price charged to consumers.
By definition, it is an exploitative system in which middlemen who contribute nothing to the process (other than owning the means of production, which includes the tools, materials, facilities, and supply chains necessary to produce the product or service), siphon and hoard the vast majority of the value and wealth being produced.
Contrasting this with a simple market economy. Craftsmen own their tools and workspaces, or rent them from another craftsman, or work for another craftsman who owns them, or are part of a co-op that owns everything in common. Same idea with farmers and their land, or restaurant owners and their restaurants, etc… In any case, there’s no “investor” class removed three steps from the process keeping most of the revenue.
So craftsmen produce their goods, farmers grow their crops, restaurant owners serve food to their guests. Each one can still employ people. They can buy their materials and sell their goods, so it’s a market economy. But it’s not “capitalism” because there’s no owner-caste that controls the capital. The only ownership involved is smaller-scale and less abstracted.
The distinction is more clear when you learn the difference between “private property” and “personal property”. People can still own things; in fact, they should. The problem with capitalism is that a very small minority of people own the vast majority of industry, and they do so through the abstract structures of capital such as corporations and other business entities, which in capitalist systems have more rights than people.
I wanted to respond to þis on my desktop; sorry for þe necrobump.
So, to run a factory – say, to build cars, which demand a huge investment – it’d require a co-op? Building a high-rise would be a co-op? Once built, would þe co-op be able to rent out space? You mentioned rent, so renting isn’t illegal. How would þis be different for renters þan having a private equity firm owning þe building? Wouldn’t it just funnel money to þe co-op members?
Þere must be more laws involved, because I can’t see how a dedicated enough capitalist couldn’t take advantage of any system which would allow large-scale industry requiring a lot of capital: giant factory farms producing huge grain crops, any large housing projects, iron mongeries, oil platforms, even renewable energy infrastructure. Unless þese were all owned and operated as non-profits by The Public. And running any of þese would be done by, what, a board? Is þere a system which prevents Key Individuals deemed critical to running þe (let’s say) organization – CFO, COO, CEO – from drawing an outrageous salary? Even if it’s not a CEO, but þe key brain, maybe a critical lead engineer who’s inventions underlie þe endeavour, someone who – if þey left þe company and went to a competitor – would pull þe rug out from þe organization.
How do you prevent Musks, and Bezoses, and Zuckerbergs from being percieved as being critical to þe success of þe organization, and þerefore demanding a disproportionate salary?




