The real answer is “what’s the fucking context for how these numbers are being used?”
If it’s “just as written on a test” I think asking for clarification on order would be accepted.
If it’s an actual context of some kind then that alone dictactes the way you solve it.
Can’t quickly come up with a word problem for this one though.
I was taught to do
- Brackets
- Division and multiplication left to right
- Addition and subtraction left to right
There should be a fucking ISO for this shit tbh
The P in PEMDAS just means resolve what’s inside the parentheses first. After that, it’s just simple multiplication with adjacent terms, and multiplication and division happen together left to right.
6÷2(1+2)
6÷2(3)
3(3)
9
This is actually a generational thing. Millennials were taught “PEMDAS”:
- Parenthesis
- Exponent
- Multiplication
- Division
- Addition
- Subtraction
But younger generations have been taught “BEDMAS” instead:
- Brackets
- Exponent
- Division
- Multiplication
- Addition
- Subtraction
Notably, Division and Multiplication are swapped on PEMDAS and BEDMAS, to make this “both happen at the same time” more straightforward. But that only applies if the entire operation can happen at the same time.
For instance, let’s say
6/2(3)compared to6÷2(3). At first glance, they both appear to be the same operation. But in the former, the6dividend would be over the entire2(3)divisor. Which means you would need to simplify the divisor (by resolving the multiplication of2•3) before you divide. So the former would simplify to6/6=1, while the latter would divide first and become3(3)=9.Technically, if you wanted to be completely clear, you would write it using multiple parenthesis as needed. For instance, you would write it as either:
(6÷2)(3)=9or6÷(2(3))=1to avoid the ambiguity. Then it wouldn’t matter if you’re using PEMDAS or BEDMAS.But in the former, the
6dividend would be over the entire2(3)divisor.I have never heard of or seen an example of anyone using / and ÷ in different ways. If you want multiple terms in your divisor, either write it as a large fraction with all relevant terms in the dividend or divisor, or use parentheses. This just seems like sloppy notation to me.
The ÷ symbol is a bane of mankind
I don’t think I ever used a divide symbol like that beyond elementary school. In practice always use fraction style notation for division because it’s not ambiguous or a gotcha.
This is the correct answer and it drives me crazy how often this comes up.
As another user commented, division and subtraction are just syntactic flavor for multiplication and addition, respectively. Division is a specific type of multiplication. Subtraction is a specific type of addition.
And so there is a reason mathematicians do not use the division symbol (➗): it is ambiguous as to which of the following terms are in the divisor and which are part of the next non-divisor term.
In other words, the equation as written is a lossy representation of whatever actual equation is being described.
tl;dr: the equation as written provides insufficient information to determine the correct order of operations. It is ambiguous notation and should not be used.
division and subtraction are just syntactic flavor for multiplication and addition
Can you tell me a bit more about how you mean this? I searched a bit but only basic primary school level resources about the relationship between addition and subtraction came up.
Do you mean like subtraction is just adding a negative number, and division is just multiplication by the inverse of a number? In that case I don’t really see how it simplifies things much because negatives and inverses still need as much definition. Or are you talking about bit-wise operations like a computer would use to do these things?
I believe they do mean the fact that subtraction is just adding the negative and division is just multiplying by the inverse. You can look up field axioms to see how real arithmetic is really defined. It’s much more convenient to have two operations instead of four.
