• ZeDoTelhado@lemmy.world
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    3 months ago

    Hey Hoffman, remember the sneezes you had in succession last winter for 2 weeks straight? I asked chatgpt and tells me is brain cancer. Are you going to start cancer therapy ASAP?

    PS: for the people that still remember WebMD at the start, they would never trust a machine for full diagnosis, let alone considering this as an option

  • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
    1·
    3 months ago

    It is very curious rhetorical move from:

    If your doctor isn’t using AI, they are incompetent and awful and should be considered malpractice

    to

    We shouldn’t be forcing these Big Government Regulations on the itty bitty small bean doctors who just want to help people

    Techno-Libertarianism in a nutshell. It is never a serious analysis of best practices and procedures. Always some hollow appeal to legalism out of one side of the mouth and denouncement of bureaucracy out of the other. And all in pursuit of selling a new line of magic fucking beans to the rubes.

    Counting the days until Dr. Oz is talking about LLMs like he talks about ginseng and acai berry juice.

  • ruuster13@lemmy.zip
    1·
    3 months ago

    Older adults have always made a fool of themselves when new tech comes out as they scramble over each other to either voice dramatically out-of-touch opinions or avoid it entirely while preaching moral panic. This time around with AI, there’s not a big financial barrier to access so the youth are equally in on the game.

  • Alvaro@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    1·
    3 months ago

    “Sir, you seem to be low on vitamin C, which gave you scurvy, but Grok says that it is more likely to be an psychosomatic response to an internal conflict between the way you live your life, and the Hitler inside you waiting to be let out”

    • Send Pics of Sandwiches@sh.itjust.works
      1·
      3 months ago

      The worst part is that HIPAA has actually already allowed AI companies to do this. Epic EHR software now has built in AI chart summary support as well as AI dictation where the patient is recorded throughout the visit by the AI agent. Somone has decided that feeding patient’s PHI and voice into an AI company’s black box is somehow acceptable healthcare practice and has actively implemented it in physical healthcare facilities.

  • FlexibleToast@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    3 months ago

    AI is great at being a sort of consultant. Something to bounce ideas off of. Sometimes it comes up with something you hadn’t thought of. It’s great to confer with. However, it’s terrible to rely on. Confer with it, but don’t defer to it.

  • 4am@lemmy.zip
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    3 months ago

    Image recognition to help radiologists find tumors is probably fine; especially since you can usually run those models locally.

    These morons think ChatGPT is “conscious” and “was trained on humanity’s collective knowledge”. THAT is the problem with AI Derangement Syndrome

    EDIT: aw fuck let’s not use that acronym

    • Windex007@lemmy.world
      1·
      3 months ago

      There are a bunch of studies that in general show there is an effect where, despite what people say and think, they inevitably start to offload decision making to AI inappropriately and it eventually makes them worse. Harvard did a study specifically around radiologists, interestingly enough.

      The “only use it as an aid” seems to be a myth.

      To me it seems very similar to cocaine.

  • CH3DD4R_G0B-L1N@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
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    3 months ago

    I already immediately left a veterinarian for using AI as part of its xray diagnosis process, which may even be somewhat acceptable since computer vision is relatively mature. Fuck if I’m lasting 5 mins with a human doctor that utters the letters “AI.”

    • NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.caEnglish
      1·
      3 months ago

      I can’t speak for veterinary, but in dentistry AI can be problematic because:

      A) it really over-diagnoses - it’s very very sensitive, meaning that it identifies things that aren’t necessarily clinically relevant

      B) it does not compare to previous radiographs, so it cannot give reasonable clinical judgement on whether decay is active or arrested.

      It could be a helpful tool to give you a laundry list of places to check. However, I’ve used demo software and did not find it added anything for me, although I have 15 years experience. You still need to use your clinical judgement.

      I do worry about the younger clinicians being over-reliant on it, as they have it pushed on them by multi-practice dental corporations.

  • makeshift0546@lemmy.today
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    3 months ago

    Y’all will screech but having a giant ass search engine that is able to process patient data in context is incredibly useful.

    Y’all are just prejudice. Professionals will be using these tools and they already have been providing excellent real world results. Honestly, if you don’t understand how the medical community is using AI/ml with real validated results, you should be keeping your mouth shut on the topic.

    • Leon@pawb.socialEnglish
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      3 months ago

      having a giant ass search engine that is able to process patient data in context is incredibly useful.

      Yeah. Wouldn’t that be nice. That’s not what an LLM is, however.

    • zeroConnection@programming.dev
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      3 months ago

      What’s with all these brand new accounts lately that seem to have been created for the sole purpose of defending AI.

      GTFO you Altman propaganda bot.

      • Tippy@sh.itjust.works
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        3 months ago

        Lemmy has a massive problem with bot accounts, astroturfing, and ban evasion that no one really wants to admit. Right wing propaganda is also becoming much more common on the fediverse. As much as people like to bash other social media and say lemmy / the fediverse is immune to this stuff, it really isn’t. Being smaller just means it takes longer to spread here, but it definitely has started.

      • makeshift0546@lemmy.today
        03·
        3 months ago

        Which is why your doctor should use it as a tool and validate the results. You know, do their job.

        Y’all are just fucking binary. How do you think medical and community members work now? They use a shitty search engine or portal to look up material, and yes, some of it will be garbage they need to wade through.

        But God forbid they have a tool that puts that information into a cited overview to supplement a tricky diagnosis. The prejudice and fake workflows that y’all invent is crazy. Looking for little edge cases everywhere catching the AI in a mistake

        • inari@piefed.zipEnglish
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          3 months ago

          I have no problem with them using search engines. They can vet and choose answers from reliable sources. From an LLM, it’s anybody’s guess if anything it pulled up is correct, and a less experienced doctor could be misled into making a dangerous mistake.

          • makeshift0546@lemmy.today
            03·
            3 months ago

            Riiiiiiiiiight, LLMs don’t cite sources and the portals written in the 90s for journals solve all of that.

            It’s so amazing to watch you all invent these crazy scenarios, where you’ve chosen the absolute lowest bar you can find. As if some layman who has no clue how to use this tool is working on some free Claude account because you read about one shitty doctor or lawyer fucking up. It’s honestly sad seeing these hoops to jump through.

            Professional tools, run by some of the most educated type a professionals in the planet minimize and reduce these risks by providing defaults and interfaces along with education.

            FFS they can (and will) kill you accidentally with far more simple shit that can’t be mostly mitigated away. But yeah, because LLMs can be used poorly by morons it’s worthless 🙄.

            • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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              3 months ago

              As if some layman who has no clue how to use this tool is working on some free Claude account because you read about one shitty doctor or lawyer fucking up

              Do you know what happens when doctors fuck up?

              Like, I don’t think this is the slam dunk reply that you think it is.

        • red_tomato@lemmy.world
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          3 months ago

          Using AI as a tool to find additional information? Sure, could be doable maybe.

          Asking sycophantic ”you’re absolutely correct” machines for second opinion? Absolutely not!

          Hoffman is advocating for the latter.

          • makeshift0546@lemmy.today
            03·
            3 months ago

            Imagine believing that they’ll use general purpose free chatgpt. Just amazing these scenarios you all invent. I can’t tell if it’s just straight blind prejudice or you all really don’t understand how it can integrate into tooling with very specific models.

            Just wild what people have cooked up in their mental model.

            • Tippy@sh.itjust.works
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              3 months ago

              They literally do. ChatGPT and Copilot. I work medical field adjacent, and these are what the providers use. Not cooked up in a mental model, witnessed directly.

              Take note that I’m only replying to refute your ignorance. I’m not going to engage with whatever AI generated ragebait vitriol you spew at me.

              • makeshift0546@lemmy.today
                02·
                3 months ago

                Will those are the idiots who were already lazy and going to kill you 🤷‍♂️

                There is proper tooling, and they should be learning to use it.

        • lol_idk@piefed.socialEnglish
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          3 months ago

          I ask LLMs medical questions almost daily and it gets it wrong most of the time. Do I have data or a study to back this claim up, no, but if you check the sources (Perplexity) you can just see the wrong interpretation of studies or disreputable web content sources (county fair science projects, Reddit, quack websites)

          It’s sometimes useful for general knowledge if you really don’t care that it might be wrong, but I’m not sure when this would be the case with medical advice

          The confidence with which LLMs misstate facts and my inability to know which of my healthcare workers is blindly trusting of these tools makes it dangerous

        • prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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          3 months ago

          Using their institutional knowledge, and critical thinking to wade through unrelated search results is not the same as asking a sycophantic chat bot that’s programmed to always answer with complete confidence whether it’s right or wrong

          • makeshift0546@lemmy.today
            03·
            3 months ago

            I absolutely love that you all think that there are only these models designed to make you like the product. It’s like watching Republicans scream to the world how ignorant you are. Everything is a chatbot to you all 😂

            • Concetta@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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              3 months ago

              I love that you keep saying that with no proof to back up a claim. Which chatbot do you use then? And if you don’t say exactly which chatbot you use everyone will know you’re a stupid liar.

              • makeshift0546@lemmy.today
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                3 months ago

                Microsoft MAI-DxO is currently winning in our metrics but not widely available. At this point in time it is the obvious winner although not in GA. DxGPT second followed by path AI and AI doc. All these have completed FDA requirements, been studied, and enjoyed a success rate near our better then doctors when used parallel in diagnosis.

          • makeshift0546@lemmy.today
            03·
            3 months ago

            Yup. Account age is an utterly pointless and a shitty evaluation tool. Unless you’re just looking to attach a person rather than the idea 🤷‍♂️. Just creates little shitty echo chambers to attach yourself to.

            And fedverse makes it literally impossible to stop. Tech bros really not thinking through how people think, act, and build trust.

            Did it feel good reporting me? Do you feel effective?