AI can already create cgi that’s better than most Hollywood slop. AI created movies are an inevitability, and they’re going to revolutionise the industry in a great way for everyone apart from Hollywood.
It’s not gonna save Hollywood, they mean.
True, I suppose it already has permanently decreased the quality of life of CGI artists because their labor will now always be judged as a more costly alternative to AI that doesn’t actually work but still serves as a good bargaining chip against employees in negotiations.
Remember when the world shat on CGI endlessly 25 years ago?
It’s like all of this is the fault of a pattern of human nature, instead of one specific technology.
Remember when Pixar and DreamWorks destroyed hundreds of thousands of acres of farmland in order to erect enormous Gray boxes filled with computers that run complex operations 24/7, consuming massive amounts of fossil fuels and fresh water, leading to unmitigated pollution; not to mention political corruption, global surveillance, rolling back privacy protections, and economic gangsterism that hasn’t been seen in 100 years?
People be like “ai is just a tool” and yeah, but thats also incredibly reductive considering what AI actually is. Maybe it is a tool, but it is a tool that uses us, not the other way around. What gets called a pattern of human behavior, used to cause wars and uprisings. the pattern isnt something essential to human nature, it’s socially constructed.
The fact that we find ourselves in these patterns over and over shows that the ruling class has learned to fuck us in a way so that we complain but not actually try to do anything to change society. Which shows the lack of actual freedom we have in order to live by our actual human impulses.
Remember when Pixar and DreamWorks destroyed hundreds of thousands of acres of farmland in order to erect enormous Gray boxes filled with computers that run complex operations 24/7, consuming massive amounts of fossil fuels and fresh water, leading to unmitigated pollution; not to mention political corruption, global surveillance, rolling back privacy protections, and economic gangsterism that hasn’t been seen in 100 years?
You act like data centers are a new concept that was invented in the 2020s. We’ve had data centers even before we had the Internet.
Rich assholes make those kind of decisions to pump trillions into AI pipe dreams, just like the rich assholes who run Hollywood.
The fact that we find ourselves in these patterns over and over shows that the ruling class has learned to fuck us in a way so that we complain but not actually try to do anything to change society. Which shows the lack of actual freedom we have in order to live by our actual human impulses.
That’s because we’re too scared to project violence to solve the core problems. The best we have is useless protests that don’t sway psychopaths, because psychopaths don’t have feelings.
The difference between a human artist working with digital media vs analog media is a difference in materials.
The difference between art and AI is AI is a lossy compression algorithm used to steal human art in a legally defensible way.
You can use anything to make art, AI techbros didnt prove that, my point is AI is a shitty self-defeating tool that hides the theft of our public commons of shared art made by humans behind a bunch of bullshit technobabble.
The difference between art and AI is AI is a lossy compression algorithm used to steal human art in a legally defensible way.
If we can compress the entirety of human art, music, literature made by billions of people into the size of a 4-10 GB model, at around 1 person per byte, then we must have not been very creative in the first place.
If we can compress the entirety of human art, music, literature made by billions of people into the size of a 4-10 GB model, at around 1 person per byte, then we must have not been very creative in the first place.
What an awful, cynical way to look at reality.
You were the one suggesting that all of human art could be compressed into a file that could easily fit on a USB stick:
AI is a lossy compression algorithm used to steal human art in a legally defensible way.
These are your words.
Hopefully we’ll see a shift towards people that gets displaced from these big studios banding together and forming their own independent studios. This has happened quite a bit in the games industry, which is undergoing a similar shift. As long as people keep pushing back against AI-created content and favor human-created things, at least; if that public opinion shifts, we’re just fucked.
I mean that’s Glitch Productions’ entire schtick basically and it seems to work well for them
Yeah but what makes me sad is that smaller independent studios cannot maintain an industry of artists alone and thus the gaming and movie world is going to exit the golden age we have been in.
There needs to be large, boring more “institutional” companies making large movie or game projects to provide the capacity for entry level jobs at scale, to provide more stable places for an artist to work while raising a family or to provide a stepping stone in employment between more meaningful jobs at smaller more focused companies.
I love Indie Games, I love smaller art projects of all kinds, but my point is the labor market is broken in these industries and it can lead to nowhere else than collapse of the industry.
This is a perfect example of the myth that capitalism is efficient, it can be seen here clearly that it leads directly to a periodic shattering of industries leaving only a couple of massive companies to buy up the entire landscape and consolidate control over the industry after the cataclysm.
We didn’t need AI for the Hollywood slop. It’s already in the streaming services. Miles and miles of terrible movies with glowing 8.5 scores (according to their own rating systems).
Disney must be so Sora
There recently was a video on YouTube about how they trained an AI to actually isolate content from greenscreen where the results were very promising. So while maybe not revolutionary, it did prove to be very helpful. Though we all know that’s not the billion dollar thing these investments were for.
When you say isolate content from greenscreen what do you mean? Like take a finished shot and re-green the stuff that was greenscreened in?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ploi723hg4 this is the video, it’s about situations where normal filters have issues cropping out the content without spill or when some objects are reflective or transparent.
You know this is desperately grasping for straws here given the massive economic AI bubble we are in right?
Hey, I’m well aware this doesn’t justify it in any way and this isn’t what any tech bro had in mind. I’m just saying there have been advancements in a maybe unexpected area of video editing. But I thought this was clear from three way I worded my comment
I can barely understand the expectation this will just blow over.
These programs turn whatever you have into whatever you describe… even if you have nothing. If you actually provide an animatic, a pre-vis pass, or stand-ins acting it out, it’ll follow those, and work better. The less you ask for, the more it can do. Its shortcomings keep dwindling and the models keep shrinking. Sora shut down because this tech has moved on to local models running near real-time.
That’s gonna revolutionize Hollywood the way refrigerators revolutionized selling ice for iceboxes.
Disney doesn’t benefit because they have the money to do things the hard way. Most people don’t. So a filter that turns cardboard sets into sci-fi blinkenlights is useful to plenty of people with no hope of securing a two-comma budget. It will let them make art that would otherwise be gatekept by capital. People might excuse any gap in quality knowing the thing otherwise would not exist. And that gap will shrink. Hollywood will find itself competing with manic weirdos, like print publishers who could no longer pick which comics and stories get read.
Cocteau said film will only become art when it’s as cheap as pencil and paper. Digital cameras have brought us pretty close, but you can’t point your iPhone at an incidental space battle. Conversely: Kraus said everyone has a book in them, and in most cases that’s where it should stay. The first wave of popular use here is already rude fanfiction. But the stories the average person can tell, in motion, have now massively expanded. They can’t all be Fruit Love Island.
The less you ask for, the more it can do.
Which is the entire ideology of the cult around AI.
Y’all want a world that gives you nothing you ask for while we are powerless to do anything about it.
You are wrong, or at least you are wrong to identify your beliefs as in the realm of rationality or science, what you are espousing are a set of religious beliefs in the power of AI that there is zero evidence AI will ever fulfill and damn if it isn’t a lame and depressingly cynical religion.
It is clear when dealing with folks from your cult that proving AI is shit and that it has fundamental problems and limitations is irrelevant to the world view of the cult as it just proves to whatever particular cultist you are talking to that whatever particular subbranch of the cult they are on is the True Sect unlike the other subbranches stuck on the old teachings that aren’t really magical… and that the REAL AGI is just around the corner and this is a distraction.
It is the same nonsense problem you get when you start proclaiming dates for the end of the world in your religion and they keep inconveniently passing by without the world ending. To maintain your delusion you must divide up the religion and say “oh it was that Sect over there that was wrong, we have the true knowledge!”. Rinse Repeat.
I am fine with you having different spiritual beliefs then me just don’t waste everyones’ time by trying to force people into thinking your religion is reality.
No one cares who isn’t already part of your cult.
Sora shut down because this tech has moved on to local models running near real-time.
No, Sora shut down because AI is a bullshit business model that doesn’t produce anything consistently of useful value other than the obsfucation of theft or responsibility and consumes a vast amount of resources to accomplish what a moderate amount of humans with food, water, shelter and love could make far more efficiently and with far more soul.
I regularly hear normal people describe shitty, fake things that come off hollow as “like AI”, you can see how much of a false future AI is in how little people like what it makes almost as a rule. The reason normal people hate AI is because it is so suffocatingly often a boring black box that spits out sloppy unoriginal crap chopped up from stolen human labor, something most normal people are used to identifying in the hollow structures of society around them.
Literally what are you talking about.
I am describing how video-to-video models are better at ‘change this one thing’ than ‘make up a whole scene.’ It’s not metaphysics. It’s CGI for dummies.
Local models run on the same power draw as a video game, and some can process ten seconds of footage every five seconds. The best use - because ‘change this one thing’ works better - is processing things humans made the usual way. E.g., real actors on cardboard sets, and other things I actually said.
Why must they shit on cool Kingdom Hearts guy and the blue skies and the concept of emptiness in general, with their AI nonsense?
AI video won’t need Hollywood. Putting IP into it was a dumb idea. Mickey Mouse seductively polishing a candle stick? That’s not what they wanted, but that’s what they’d get.
When AI comes for movies, it’s going to show how crappy (most) movies already are.
I am not afraid of AI taking over movies, everything AI makes is suffocatingly derivative and boring.
Umm… just like Hollywood.
No, the difference is it is actually possible though unlikely for an original movie to come out of a big studio.
AI because of the fundamental design of it, will never ever make anything original.
Sure it will. Give it a prompt and it does the work. Make the prompt original and it will be original. AI doesn’t choose the story… humans do.
I just don’t think you understand AI beyond chatbots and low effort memes.
Make the prompt original and it will be original.
Make the prompt original
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You don’t understand AI beyond your scifi slop fantasy of what it is rather then the reality that it is possibly one of the worst lossy data compression algorithms ever designed.
Without a constant influx of high quality human training data curated by humans AI is capable of nothing novel. It is a highly lossy data compression algorithm that is somehow so processing inefficient it has become an existential environmental problem because of the electricity use required to sustain this bullshit.
Yeah, you’ve got no idea what AI is if you think the compression is out of the user’s control.
You should look at the PROFESSIONAL AI tools for video creation that involve an entire render process for the 3d scenes it makes, that import into apps like Blender, Maya, etc. Auto-rigging and motion generation basically allows anyone to make an entire movie.
You’ve shown you know nothing about AI beyond OpenAI’s consumer offerings.
You can hate AI all you want, but you sound uneducated af.
You are deflecting from my points by appealing to a list of specific references to tooling when that doesn’t address my actual point.
These are all lossy data compression algorithms trained on sets of human curated data created by humans. Sure you can make some use of them, but they are massively inefficient from almost every angle versus humans creating tutorials, humans creating project templates and easy to understand user interfaces, humans making teaching materials for other humans, humans answering questions on forums, humans just doing HUMAN things…
ANYTHING you argue as a pro for AI is just a poorly extracted benefit from a curated set of human data that could have been better leveraged by humans helping humans create new things directly.
You can hate AI all you want, but you sound uneducated af.
You sound like you are in a cult.
