“This is how we should order our lives together,” he said. “And frankly, yes, we are going to impose it upon you. If you don’t like it, I’m sorry, but this is good and right and just if it lines up with God’s standards, and I am going to enforce my morality on you in as much as our morality is God’s morality.”
“You should always check yourselves,” he continued. “Do I believe what God believes? Am I defending what God says is good?”
“And if it is, then you should have the courage to say, ‘This is how we’re going to run our town, this is how we’re going to run our county, this is how we’re going to run our state, and this is how we should run the United States of America by legislating the morality that we can find in the Bible.'”
They can’t even impose Christian values on themselves. And that’s what I’ve noticed about control freaks: those who can’t control themselves will absolutely try to control everyone else. Virtue by proxy is a hell of a vice.
I have rarely seen a nation further from “christian values” than the United States at this moment.
Theocracies must die.
Amen
What did Jesus have to say about immigrants?
What did Jesus have to say about taxes?
What did Jesus have to say about retaliation?
What did Jesus have to say about money and what should be done with it if you have it?
What did Jesus say you should do with everything you own?
Jesus was a Communist. Own nothing. Share everything.
Yeah, my question for this was “WHAT Christian values”, because if they were going to push the fundamental teachings of Jesus I’d actually be ok with that. What they really mean though, is to hang crosses and Bibles in every school and then watch the government speed run breaking every one of the 10 commandments, never mind the teachings of JC.
They are modern-day pharisees.
And the head of their entire structure has never been religious and, in fact, matches their description of the anti-Christ.
They even carry the mark of the beast upon their heads.
“Man will never be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.” - Denis Diderot
How are they going to impose Christian values if they don’t know what those are?
Hating gays and black people. They know them very well. Oh yeah and raping kids. They predator handshake with christians about that
I think the Bible I read had the pages where Jesus raped kids and slung racist slurs at minorities ripped out.
Clearly, based on their voting history, those values are to horde wealth and rape children.
Forcing Jews to have Christian values is NOT Anti Semetic! Anti Semetic is when you DONT Bomb Children!
-Republicans, The ADL AND AIPAC!
This guy is an Atheist, running a scam, as are MOST religious leaders. They absolutely do not believe in God, or any kind of an afterlife, because if they did, they would NEVER support the obviously heinous behavior of MAGA. They would be too defensive of their immortal soul. The fact that they are jumping in with full support of MAGA’s obviously, cartoonishly evil agenda, proves who they really are.
Religion is a business, and should be treated like one. There is nothing in the Constitution that gives churches some special benefit. In fact, it literally says that the government should not be supporting any religion. So why does the government support religion by making it tax exempt?
EVERY church should be investigated, and most should be abolished as illegal tax avoidance scams. The rest should be heavily taxed, with the tax revenue earmarked for the public good, not military or law enforcement in any way. It should ALL go into the fund for Social Safety Nets, including universal health care.
And it should also be strongly regulated, with their donations being public record. Tithes should be heavily regulated, and the money fully accounted for. All churches should be operated with the same legal obligations as any other business.
I am not so sure about this. At the top, fundamentalist have convinced themselves that God can choose champions who are above all of his rules. They are chosen, they can do whatever the fuck they want. Rest of the people, of course, needs to abide to “God’s rules”.
At the bottom, it’s kept simple: anything and anyone they dislike is anti-christian (that can be stretched to no end).100% - I grew up in this.
They live in “feelings”. You go to church, you raise your hands during worship and there’s a collective weirdness where you “feel” like you’re “in gods presence”.
Because of this feeling they get to be the worst humans imaginable because every Sunday they get the feel goods and Jesus loves them and they literally do not believe they’ve done anything wrong because of it.
Horrible horrible people.
Nonsense, nobody with the intelligence to start a church and convince people to join it, believes that kind of nonsense. It is LITERALLY like believing in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny, and INSISTING that our entire society should be configured to follow the rules that Santa Claus and/or the Easter Bunny demands. And who interprets those demands? Those same religious leaders. And surprise! Those demands include doing everything those leaders tell you to do without hesitation or question, and giving them as much money as you can possibly come up with.
It’s a scam, and they KNOW it’s a scam. NONE of them believe in God, or they would be absolutely certain that they are destined for Hell. Or maybe they do, and they know that since they’re going to Hell anyway, they might as well take advantage of the fun on Earth, before they go to their eternity of getting poked in the ass with a pitchfork, or whatever their weird cult believes.
I think it’s a mix, with overlap, and the ratios are tough to determine. Opportunists and believers align in stroking their egos and celebrating class or human exceptionalism. I imagine the tip-top of the pyramid consists primarily of opportunists, but I’d not be surprised if they’ve crafted their own batshit philosophies that justify their imagined superiority. The more dogmatic, rigid, and traditional ideas are reserved for the plebs.
Also, I don’t think that intelligence obviates belief/ego; in fact, I wager it can lead to an even more spurious web of justification, like epstein and the dark enlightenment bros. People are crazy and environmental chaos will amplify it.
coughRomans 3:10-12cough
Bullshit. Trump or his officials are not Christians. Dictator is cosplaying as christian but is secretly the anti christ
In his book, “It Can’t Happen Here” (1935), Sinclair Lewis wrote, “When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in a flag and carrying the cross.”
Only look like 80 years but gonna real, I didnt think the anti christ would be soo like obvious about it. Humanity had such a low bar to overcome.
Christianity has been used to control people for as long as it existed.
If you read revelations it pretty much describes Trump(as the antichrist).
If you actually read Revelations you’ll be surprised that the word antichrist is nowhere to be found.
Stop this Obama-era “they go low, we go high” bullshit! It didn’t even work in those days, it’s just Mitt Romney was both a charisma vacuum, and unlike Trump didn’t hide his theocratic ambitions under multiple layers of post-irony.
All this “they’re not real christians” bullshit led to is the disappearance of religious criticism, and the right immediately hijacking every talking points on what a “good christian” should look like, to further push their theocratic fascism. Secularism? Now it’s a radical christian ideology, because “Obama likes his neighbor”, so we have to accept theocratic fascism, because coMmON SeNsE. At worst this is being pushed so much into the extremes, that nowadays people think christianity was the first (!) religion to outlaw murder, pedophilia, etc.
Are islamist terrorists “fake muslims”, who probably get drunk every day? Are the hindu extremists of India “fake hindus” for being awful to the muslim population? Was Stalin a “fake atheist” for persecuting the church? FUCK NO! All you’re doing is giving an excuse to religious extremists by excluding them from religion the moment they’re not adhering to the model religious person stereotype, so the next generation of them can continue the same fucking bullshit, all because “good christian Obama liked his muslim and atheist neighbor”, and we continue handling the power of irrationalism to theocratic fascists in the hopes of a second Obama.
He’s right, though. Nothing about what they’re doing is even remotely Christian. They’ve been claiming abortion as their central tenet of Christianity, but the bible doesn’t condemn that even once. The bible does tell us thousands of times to help the poor, feed the hungry, etc., but they are strongly against that and see the poor as deserving of that poverty. There are dozens of aspects where they go out of their way to miss the point of Christianity and preach the polar opposite.
They only hijack Christianity as a conservative identity to rally around in order to bind voters to their fundamentally anti-christian cause. Religion to them is a tool for social control, not about honest faith.
And repeating that is important to free believers who fell for their lies. If you allow them to own the label “christian”, you allow them to continue to fool people into supporting them. We have to unmask them, show them for who they really are.
"We must allow a theocrat to rise to power, because what if there would be a theocrat that would use my interpretation of christianity, which is about kindness and good things, would rise to power?"🤡
For every “love thy neighbor” quote, there’s a quote about violent conversion. For every “pedos must be thrown into the river with a stone tied to them”, there’s a “menstrual marriage”. And while the “turn the other cheek” sounds nice out of context, it was about slaves. These theocrats see you as their literal slaves (!), and I’ve seen my fair share of alt right shitheads using the full quote to justify their tactic of “we go low, you go high”, and then to mock the people who fall for them.
I don’t know where you got that naive quote, but I completely disagree with that. Theocracy corrupts both religion and politics, and it’s important that people see that. They lie and pervert, and that needs to be exposed.
And one vital step in that is to expose their lies, undermine the base they have mislead into supporting them. Don’t allow them to keep that.
CHRISTIANS HAVE STOOD FOR BIGOTRY, FOR REGRESSION, FOR KINGS FOR TWO MILLENNIA . EVERY SINGLE CHRISTIAN IS A BAD PERSON AND A SUPREMACIST PIECE OF SHIT. RELIGIOUS PEOPLE ARE LESS MORAL THAN NAZIS BECAUSE THEY DO NOT EVEN TAKE THEIR EVIL ONTO THE THEIR OWN CONSCIENCE, BUT INVENT A FASCIST SEXIST BIGOT OVERLORD WHO REJOICES WHEN THEY SLAUGHTER CHILDREN.
The bible doesnt command us to feed the hungry or care for the poor thousands of times. There a handful of times in the new testament where it does so, but pretending the bible is this spotless pro-humanity text is at best ignorant and at worst misinformation.
Someone counted it. Apparently it’s over 2000 times for helping the poor, and a maximum of 5 times “gay is bad” and in several of those that interpretation is questionable. Zero condemnations of abortions.
The book of Amos starts with God saying he doesn’t want Israel’s prayers and sacrifices because they don’t take care of the poor. It is the primary theme across the entire bible.
I’m not denying there are some questionable parts, but nothing in there is repeated as often as this. Well, maybe praising God.
Forgive me for not taking “someone counted it” as a citation.
And its absolutely not the primary theme of the bible, that is supplication to god in all things.
Saying “starts with” when it doesnt appear until half way into the second chapter is fascinating. Amos is a short book, we’re nearly a quarter of the way through it before the needy are mentioned.
And even then its not “give to the needy”. Its “dont sell the needy for money”. Did you read Amos before mentioning it?
Maybe I’m remembering it in a more condensed form, but Amos mentions mistreatment of the poor several times as reason for the punishment. But what stuck out to me is that all the religious services, songs, offerings etc become worthless in light of their sins, and that it’s the country as a whole that’s held accountable for this. Conservatives sometimes justify their inhuman policies by claiming it’s an individual responsibility to help the poor, and not something for the government to concern itself with, but here it’s the country as a whole that’s held responsible for it.
And it’s not just about selling the poor into slavery, it also mentions taxing the poor, justice for the poor, and corruption. I recall there being explicit mention of feeding widows and orphans, but I can’t find that right now.
The one citation you did give me turned out to be false… I will need actual chapter and verse references before I believe you on any other bible claims.
They’re absolutely christian. Its just Christianity has many flavours of evil assholes.
It is not such a secret.
I feel obligated to call it out lest stupid people believe their lies. Silence means compliance
I’m not christian, but I think my moral values of not committing heinous acts are superior to the Christian values of those acts being ok if you ask sky daddy forgiveness afterwards.
Raised Catholic, currently atheist:
That’s not really what is said in the bible about forgiveness - it’s very clearly stated that god knows your heart and there is no forgiveness without true penance. That’s not “say 5 hail mary’s and 3 lord’s prayer and you’re all good”, that’s a run-off effect of the middle-ages “indulgences”, where someone could be “forgiven” their sins for a payment to the church.
Actual forgiveness as described several times in the bible explicitly requires the confessor to be truly sorry for their sin (contrition), and a real commitment to do better in the future. This is a fairly concise summary of what the bible says about contrition, confession and forgiveness: https://biblehub.com/topical/c/contrition.htm
TL;DR - There is no forgiveness if you are not truly sorry and if you don’t do your best to be better.
Ah, I see you’re trying to crusade, please indulge me: is correcting somebody who’s being facetious and antichristian worth your time while you could be doing something to fight white christofascism? Or are you providing them smokescreen?
Not sure how you got that from my comment, or why you decided to be snarky in your reply, but whatever. My statement is that even in their dogma, they’re doing it wrong and if any of it were true, they’d be going to hell regardless.
The “I’m not homophobic! You can do what you want but just dont force it on me or my kids” crowd, everybody.
Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.
Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.
Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the Earth.
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be satisfied.
Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.
Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the Sons of God.
Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.
Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me.
Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you…
Oh, not these values.
Right wing American politics has made a mockery out of Christianity.
Unironically how these people read that list:
Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.
Read: the poor in spirit die first.
Blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted.
Read: We will kill those who mourn
Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the Earth.
Read: Once the greenhouse gasses are no longer tolerable. We going to Mars, suckas
Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they will be satisfied.
Read: killing those who oppose me is what is righteous.
Blessed are the merciful, for they will be shown mercy.
Read: we don’t even bully the Mexican guy on our squad, he’s pretty cool guy
Blessed are the pure in heart, for they will see God.
Read: white
Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called the Sons of God.
Read: kill those who oppose you until there is no more opposition and you will become Jesus.
Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the Kingdom of Heaven.
Read: God needs me to kill ANTIFA
Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me.
Read: you have my permission to kill the infidels.
Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you…
Read: don’t question your mission. You and all your pedo friends can fuck teenage girls or something, after you die for this cause.
…yep. those are them alright.
Right wing American politics has made a mockery out of Christianity.
So, they’re the pharisees?
These are the same people projecting that respect for others living their own lives was shoving DEI down their throats.
I feel like that one line from Kingsman (the good one, right before the fight scene in the church) is appropriate here.
Harry Hart: [to bigoted church lady] I’m a Catholic whore, currently enjoying congress out of wedlock with my black Jewish boyfriend who works at a military abortion clinic. So, hail Satan, and have a lovely afternoon, madam.
