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Fucksake albo what are ya doing?
Keep in mind a large proportion of our Aussie countrymen are right-wing muppets.
He’s aiming for popularity IMO. Wants to hold onto govt next term to… I dunno… Keep implementing tepid policy goals and making significant consolations to the right wing?
Does that work in Australia? Does the right wing vote for diet fascism when the “left” party betrays its own voters to appease them?
Labor aren’t left. The only real left party with a viable chance of winning is the Greens.
Somewhat. We have a large body of poorly-politically-informed swing voters that essentially decide each election.
Our historical primary challenger to the Labor party, whom they exchange power with every 2-3 elections is the Liberal party and the Liberal-National Coalition though… And those idiots ate polling nowhere near Labor. So they could freely implement actual good policies currently, lots of them, but Albo is too busy thinking about keeping all his business and corporate friends happy. 'Gotta keep your options open for the post-politics golden parachute onto the board seats of several multinational corporations for the big bucks in semi-retirement. Those jobs cost a lot of political favours while youre in power I guess.
Or I could be entirely off base. I’m not a politician, but this is how it looks from the outside.
Things have changed a lot in the last year.
We previously had 1 centre left and 1 centre right major party, and an assortment of minor parties on each side.
However, our preferential voting system made our minor parties more influential than in the US.
At our last major election our centre right party was just demolished and demoralised. Its complex but now we ha e several mid size parties on the right, and one major party that was on the left but has really moved to the centre to capture more centrist votes while the right squabbles among themselves.
I do t really believe that the ratchet effect youre describing is a thing even in the US, but it certainly isn’t in Australia. On most social policies we have been progressive over the decades.
I do t really believe that the ratchet effect youre describing is a thing even in the US, but it certainly isn’t in Australia
So are right-wing voters going to vote Labor in the next election because Labor implemented (compromised) versions of right-wing policy? Or are they going to vote for the right-wing parties?
Yes, obviously.
People’s political views can be arranged along a spectrum. Those far to the right will never vote labor, but the center right certainly may be enticed.
Is there any evidence that this actually happens? Because at least in America, we learn about that model in school and hear about it on the news all the time, but in practice, it’s just a pretense to justify the center-left doing right-wing policy that wins donations but loses elections. People’s beliefs aren’t 40% communist, 60% fascist, they’re a scattering of somewhat random, usually contradictory stances, and they don’t pick the candidate whose policy most closely aligns with their views, they pick the guy they like, which is only somewhat influenced by policy.
Why would the center-right vote for a center-left party doing watered down versions of what they want when they can vote for a center-right party?
Does it ever work the other way? Do you ever have a rightwing party implement center-left policy that their own voters hate, and then get rewarded by center-left voters?
Because, as you said the political spectrum is just a model we use to describe how a population might behave, and people dont think about leftness or rightness when they vote.
In this case, Albo has moved a little to the right by being friendlier with Israel’s PM than he would ha e previously. Many conservative voters who think of the world in dumb phrases like “israel is the holy land” might remember Albo’s softening to them, and vote for them as a result.
He’s moved ALP to the right.
He wants to be the party of government in perpetuity.
Looks like, maybe trying to support the war without being accused of blindly following Trump/Israel?
He probably doesn’t want to be remembered as fundamentally right wing, how we see people like Tony Blair during the Iraq/Afghanistan wars.
How is this not fundamentally not right wing? Any support for this war aside from humanitarian support for victims of Trump and Israeli aggression is support FOR the the aggression.
Fuck these people.
They’re going to defend our allies. Thats not fundamentally right wing.
Yes, it’s only wrong when China and North Korea “defends” Russia’s war on Ukraine.
He’s doing exactly almost what every Democrat in the US is doing
The fact is that Iran has been a thorn in the wests arse for a long time. There isnt a lot of sympathy there for a country we have heard a lot of “death to the west” and other general “nuke Israel” rhetoric from since the 1980s. Especially with more than a few arab immigrants to Australia being Iranian and having left because of who is in power.
The general sentiment IMO is that while The USA are doing their usual international meddling and we are fucking sick of Trumps bullshit, Irans leadership certainly did the international politics equivalent of saying “Go on hit me!” to the schoolyard bully for long enough that nobody really cares that the bully finally snotted him. There have been lots of protests about Israel/Palestine there has been very few about Iran in a country where there is a significant number of people from middle eastern origins, I think thats pretty telling.
Reading the article the logic of sending 85 personnel and some aircraft for an initial 4 weeks to protect Australians (upwards of 100 000 and 24 000 in the UAE) seems reasonable. But I swear to god we better not be launching attacks on Iran or sinking any of their commercial shipping. We should be offering assistance to the Australians in the region wanting to leave and recommending that they do so.
Fuck I hate this timeline and fuck I hate the USA and Israel.
Whose airbase are they operating out of? How will he react when some of the guys he sent to assist in our imperialism get clapped?
Aussies are law abiding. They want to go through proper channels of the problem-reaction-solution process. If they want to get themselves bombed over there in order to find the courage to bully together with the nation that has 2 secretive bases in Australia which can’t be audited by the government, then let them.
Do you think that will be the reaction and not “Iran attacked our poor innocent soldiers, we need to send 1 billion more soldiers to stop them”?
UAE airports? The article only specified them? And the article quotes his statement indicating no intention of offensive action. It’s a surveillance plane and air to air missiles. What its going to be doing there is assisting US and Israeli strikes which is stupid.
I don’t like this war but the logical target from the Iranian perspective is the gulf states and there are Australians there. They’ve already made attacks on all of the gulf states. There are thousands of Australians in the region. The government has told them to leave while they can. It makes sense to use the adf to defend Australians and so I’m okay with this currently. I don’t think they should be assisting US and Israeli strikes. Again the only sane voice in this whole situation coming out of parliament is coming from the greens.
I’d also like to add this is very similar to the mission we sent to Ukraine and we have yet to be dragged into their war. All of this is in the article
Albanese has sold his and our souls to drumpf. He had the chance to cancel aukus, but failed. Now we are in a war declared by a 34 times convicted fraudster and a 6 times bankrupt without political approval.
Is aukus really that bad?
We need to align ourselves with someone, and until recently the US is most closely aligned with our values. Also our heritage makes UK an ideal partner. I despise Trump, but perhaps the alliance will be more palatable after hes dead.
I dislike following the US into every war, but thats part of the deal really.
I think building some expertise around subs is a reasonably good direction.
Personally, I like the French and Canadians much more than the US and UK, but I think these types of alliances run pretty deep.
Seems like a bad deal from everything I’ve read. A very one sided deal too AFAICT. Mayyybe for the geopolitical reason of “we need to treat our big bully ally well or they won’t support us” but TBH I wouldn’t trust Trump helping as far as I can throw his fat orange arse.
Fair enough.
Everyone needs to develop their own opinions. For my own part I know enough about international arms deals to know that I don’t know enough about international arms deals to determine whether they’re one sided.
I do know that the rare earths deal we got out of Trump is a golden goose that’s going to keep laying eggs for many decades.
I don’t have any trust of Trump either but he will be long dead before we get a sub.
Also our heritage makes UK an ideal partner.
I didn’t know genocide of the natives was the heritage to be proud of.
Lapdogs beating around the bush to say they love supporting war criminals. But hey, you do you.
It’s a technicality, but the war was started by the one with 1 count of bribery + 3 counts of fraud and breach of trust, who has blackmail on the one with 94 counts.
Other than this, let’s not forget how bad the people in Iran have it. So bad there were at least 20 Iranian people celebrating in Brisbane the day the Ayatollah was assassinated by the Board Of Peace.
I can find 20 gusanos celebrating when Raul Castro died. Meanwhile the millions of people who didn’t flee Cuba are happy having education and healthcare.
Even if they were unhappy, white people really have to stop managing other countries. It is none of their business to interfere with the rest of the world.
Look at Nepal. Very little outside interference, they’re getting their shit together in their own way and pace.
Look at Nepal. Very little outside interference
I would be genuinely shocked if the US wasn’t trying their hardest to make sure a comprador ends up in power.
