• Avid Amoeba@lemmy.ca
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    I gotta say, Avi is doing a great job even if I’m still debating between him and Rob.

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      Iirc it’s a ranked ballot, so you can choose both, just a matter of which order.

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          Personally the two candidates I like most are Avi Lewis and Tanille Johnston in that order. That both have accounts on Canadian Mastodon instances shows me they’re serious about our sovereignty and are willing to match their actions to their words.

          Lewis to me just feels like he embodies ideas I’ve had in my head for some time. Like I was curious why we haven’t explored crown corporations for groceries before, which he’s thrown the idea into the ring. I’ve also thought about how rural communities have been abandoned by both corporations and provincial governments with the loss of Greyhound and Saskatchewan Transportation Company, and he’s talked of making a public option for a federal bus fleet, and is just very focussed on increasing public options as a whole. I really like his energy, he gets his message across well, and he’s got a record holding people in office accountable.

          Tanille has also impressed me. Guaranteed Livable Income, tough on AI policies like Lewis, closing tax loopholes, and even though it may be more virtue signalling with how grand an idea it is, I love her idea of working with the international community to implement a global wealth tax. Everything else is pretty much on par with Lewis, but what puts Lewis ahead in my books is that he does a better job mobilising people and getting the message out there. That she’s the first indigenous candidate for a federal political party is very impressive.

          Everybody else to me is a mixed bag. I like Tony McQuail since he seems like a genuine, down-to-Earth guy and means well. I like how he wants to strengthen regional associations and strengthen small communities, which I feel is important, but I just don’t think party leader is the best position in the party for the changes he wants to make.

          Rob Ashton seems like a nice guy, but using AI for an AskMeAnything left a real sour taste in my mouth. Like I get you have a background in labour rights, but I question your ability to stand ground in federal politics if you can’t connect personally with the base as a party candidate by using a tool that most people in the party agree to be a detriment to worker’s rights. People make mistakes, and I hate purity tests, but I question his ability to read the party base despite all the good work he’s done.

          Heather McPherson is a tough one for me. She’s pretty establishment for the party, but being from Alberta, I do believe she makes a fair point with the party needing to gain better ground here, and her record in having the safest NDP seat in the country in arguably the most Conservative province. My biggest worry though is that in working in connecting and improving the party’s connection to the province, that she’ll make the same mistake the provincial NDP made under Notley and try to “meet halfway” regarding fossil fuels and piss everyone off. That she equated Alberta sovereignty to Quebec sovereignty in one of her emails didn’t come as a good sign.

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            That’s a pretty good assesment. I’m tired so I can’t write in kind but here’s something to your effort.

            Going through with reforming the party as a bottom-up movement is extremely importantfor the long term success. Both Rob and Avi understand this from slightly diff perspective. Rob understands this from union organizing which is similar, where locals have a similar function. Avi on the other hand has the ideology - he’s a democratic socialist. The principles, the why and the how of organizing real, bottom up democratic structures is baked into it. So I think both would be able to do the work but Avi probably has a more encompassing understanding of the domain. He also knows the socialist history of the NDP - he cites the CCF and Tommy Douglas explicitly. He never said “I” when referring to his leadership effort, he always said we and our. All of which speak to his commitment to the bottom-up approach.

            Tony made a critical related point about this - that mass media is never going to convey the message we need conveyed to our members. The CBC might try but will fail. Corporate media would actively mislead as the NDP doesn’t further its interest. So we need our party to convey the messages to its members through the EDAs, so then the members can tell it to their neighbours as they understand it best. Just one of the extremely coherent points from the 74-year-old geezer on the stage.

            Why we haven’t explored public options for groceries and such? Cause we got on the Thatcherite-Reaganite neolib ideological train. We sold off a shit ton of important pub corporations and we decided we ain’t using that economic model to do new things. But that’s just me ranting, I’m sure you knew that. 😊

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        I was hopeful for Rob at first but starting his candidacy with an AI AMA on Reddit was a bad look. They even hit him on that point at the end of the debate.

        He also didn’t much charisma on the stage. I guess I understand why he had his helpers do the AMA with AI, because he had to keep looking at his notes last night, and it makes me wonder how much he believes and how much he’s just parroting.

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        “Gives workers real power — migrant workers will have clean path to permanency, open work permits, they can join unions and organize without fear, which means stronger unions and better wages for everyone;”

        This sounds kind of worrying.

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            I don’t want more citizens when we have no housing and we have double digit youth unemployment. The NDP aren’t progressive if they do.

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              These problems aren’t caused by immigrants no matter what the frothing-in-the-mouth Right wants you to believe.

              Little Quebec data point: the vast majority of immigrants move to Montreal. Guess where the housing crisis is more acute: the regions. Immigrants are not causing the housing shortage. Stupid car-centric city planning, NIMBY zoning, and the financialization of housing is what causes it. Read the CCPA report.

              Youth unemployment? At the same time when our healthcare system is buckling from chronic under-staffing? And at the same time when we are missing teachers, early childhood educators? At the same time when we are faced with a climate resilience crisis, a housing crisis, sectors that require actual trained labour? Gee I wonder if there are some solutions to that. Maybe some kind of, oh I don’t know Green New Deal, funded by the ridiculous wealth hoarded by parasites like Galen Weston over the past few decades of neoliberal orthodoxy?

              Immigrants are a rhetorical scapegoat, sold to you by demagogues who dream of bringing Trump style authoritarianism to Canada. We know exactly where that leads. No thanks.

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          Unless you believe in zero immigration which you absolutely have the right to, the material reasons for when immigration is bad for workers are the lesser workers rights they have and the shortage of housing and transit. Workers rights because unionized workplaces mean corpos can’t pay a migrant less than a Canadian, therefore have little incentive to bring them in. And if they do so in a non-unionized workplace, the migrant worker has the economic means to switch jobs, which means the corpo has to pay them similar to Canadian labour. And housing and transit are about the only limited resources standing in the way from scaling up any Canadian town or city from its current size to virtually any size. If we get housing and transit building so that we don’t have those constraints, and new people entering the economy aren’t at permanent worker rights disadvantage, like new Canadian grownups aren’t, then the economic effects should be more or less equivalent to natural increase in the population, which tends to be economically positive. Better yet, the economy should benefit more than natural pop growth because Canada didn’t spend the resources raising and educating this new population, while we’d get the surplus it produces as it enters the workforce.

          If immigrant labour does not have the same rights (including recognition of experience, education through some process, etc) as non-immigrants, then the only way to not have corpos use them to lower wages is to not let them in at all - or zero immigration. But new workers constantly enter the workforce in a growing population as kids grow up so the mere entry of new workers into the economy doesn’t appear to be bad for wages. The baby boom along with strong workers rights (much weakened later) produced a pretty great economy for working people.

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              But the Canadian population grew from 14M to 23M between 1950 and 1975, and inflation-adjusted avg income (in 1995 $) more than doubled from 8.6K to 20K in the same period. Why do you think the increase in population did not degrade wages in that period?

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      “Climate [change] is a class war, because big polluters profit and their friends run away with a pocket full of money. When it’s the working class that at the end of the day that pay the ultimate price in their communities.”

      Class war mentioned 20 minutes in!

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    Oooh, soon we’ll find out who Lucy Watson and the cabal of NDP insiders will choose to be the party leader!

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        A vote of the people chosen by the cabal complete with secret rules. Not sure if they have a secret handshake though.

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            Yes it was. At the same time, Yves Engler trying to hijack the NDP leadership contest to carry water for Putin was also not any kind of good faith politics.

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              Yup. And we’d have dealt with that democratically, without appearing undemocratic.

              Don’t get me wrong, I’m not one of the (mis)understanders of democracy who thinks what we have in Canada is an effective people’s democracy. But if we’re to improve material outcomes for people while still doing democracy, I think we need radically more democratic processes not less.

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                  On that account, I’ll go have a greek village salad with a warm Metaxa after work, at my local Greek restaurant. 😁