Some users wonder if the dev will be charged for having it still up, others argue Reddit can’t charge him without having signed a contract. Everyone is confused as to why the API change hasn’t made it inoperable.
Why is Boost still working?
The thing is that it really is no longer about 3rd party apps working or not, rather, the level of disrespect displayed from Reddit towards us, their userbase. That’s why I’m not going back.
Exactly. Relay user here and it’ll continue to function but…
- Fuck spez
- I don’t care to support reddit anymore
- Reddit’s content for my feed is already turning to garbage. I’m already finding kbin and lemmy better.
Good riddins.
Exactly this. There is now actual conversarion and I’m finding interesting content again.
Nr. 3 is the main point. I prefer less content if it’s not reposts, ragebait and bots
I was a RedReader user for quite a while (as in years). While being a bit spartan, I found it to be the best Reddit app for my preferences. Period.
But indeed, nowadays, there is actual (great) content on Lemmy and Kbin, and I am willing to get to it. Not much time left for Reddit. Sorry, spez, fuck you!
Exactly. Even if spez rolled everything back, I’m not going back.
All trust in Reddit is now destroyed because of Spez.
Fact is even if Reddit rolled back the changes it’d be the classic “let’s see how far we can push our user base then we’ll roll that back to acceptable levels while slowly pushing those limits through later updates” strategy
His name is Steve Huffman, using Spez means he gets to avoid a lot of the public criticism through google searches etc.
After the whole Brock turner the rapist crusade (deserved) I’ve been sitting here scratching my head why spez wasn’t named and shamed with his real name by the same group.
Give Apollo a contract guaranteeing free API access until the end of time without nonsense restrictions on content and maybe I’d think about it. Short of that I’m all set.
(No it’s not just Apollo. But he’s the most wronged and the one I use.)
Same. I used to use the official app because when I started using Reddit, I was not aware of third party apps. Then it was just inertia. After this fiasco started, I started trying various apps and used sync for the last 3 weeks. Now i’m here.
LJ (Sync dev) said he’d look at Kbin after he gets Sync for Lemmy up :)
Reddit has made clear they have no respect for their users, especially their most active users responsible for creating and moderating their content. No matter what reddit does or doesn’t do now, it is obvious it will continue to get worse.
It’s also a wake up call to those who created content and did tons of free moderating for no gain other than personal prestige … it is making us all realize that whenever we put in extra effort into a social media website that is privately owned - we create the content and reason for the sites existence but we don’t financially benefit from it, someone else does who did no work to create any of it other than to claim ownership over everything.
It’s the same old story from a thousand years ago or even the arguments of worker rights from the 1800s … we create the means of production but we receive no benefit from our work
Little late to the game on this one but I did finally get my words to reflect how and why I feel I do about this situation, I commented it recently on another post but I’m gonna drop it here again as I hope it can add to this discussion.
I quit when rif went down. I’ve never used an official app, desktop site, mobile site etc. Rif was Reddit to me for 10 years. Maybe leaving as a collective will make some difference, maybe not, but I’m going to start being more firm on how much I’ll let companies try to push me around expecting me to just take it. They built it on our backs, then just took it away so a literal select few can cash in, when they are already filthy rich and had other options.
I’ve been explaining it to others as if you broke your phone. Now it’s frustrating getting used to a new phone, but it has lots of new features you never even thought of that make up for the inconveniences. Sure I could go back to my old phone, it’s comfortable to use, but the screen is broken and it cuts me now and again, and over time it’ll cut me more often. I’d rather get used to the new phone.
This past year I’ve dealt with food going up, gas, utilities, rent, hell cigarettes and even beer, my fishing license went up. Every single nook and cranny they can pull a cent from you they will.
I’m done choosing to let them. If they want my data, my attention, my content, they can pull it from my cold dead hands damnit.Ok weird ass Braveheart speech over and out.
Yep. Fuck Reddit. It’s fallen to the normies now. I’m glad to have my tech nerd discussions and news here in the fediverse now.
The leadership is too much for me. Too many right wing shitbirds with conspiracy delusions, too much open partying with Ghislaine(sp?) Maxwell, and too many mishandled scandals relating to sexual content with minors.
Huffman (Spez) gave some interview where he talks about civilization falling and he’d “be a slaver rather than a slave” (paraphrasing, I don’t have the interview open) which is just wild because he’s scrawny as fuck.
There’s always rumors of an IPO but I feel like the current staff isn’t fit to head a public company and would crumble under wide public scrutiny like on the markets
he’d “be a slaver rather than a slave”
Wouldn’t you if you were given that decision and it was even or?
It’s a stupid world to you because it’s never either or, but people like spez rarely have the tact to think that far.
The only thing I’ll be giving Reddit is my traffic, more than happy to lurk the comment but I definitely won’t be posting, commenting, upvoting/downloading or helping admins by reporting spam and rule violations. None of that effort anymore
The r/blind mods said RedReader stopped working for them what a total clusterfuck to have the key accessible app not work while others are.
i guess no one saw that coming
Booooo
Angry boost
The app still works for me. But I’ve been hearing Reddit has shut down the old mod API token, but not the regular token yet. So that might explain a little. However, RedReader was granted accessibility exemption so who knows what’s going on.
They broke toolbox’s mod mail macros as well. Company is a complete joke.
When the API shut off early, Apollo dev u/iamthatis (@fhristianselig@mastodon.social) revoked his token so I cannot see any of this; but I’m wondering if reddit isn’t pulling a silent reversal of this to stem the bleeding of users and content. There is a lot of useful stuff that has been deleted. The AMA staff resigning and all the stuff migrating to fedi. No matter how much f-u/spez tries to shout “This is fine”; the building is still burning all around him.
Bet they left turned access back on.
Which is… worst of both worlds?
I thought access would essentially be the same from the app’s perspective, just the app builders would start getting MASSIVE bills in the mail? And they were shutting it down preemptively to avoid this.
That was my understanding, also. I read that the first billing for devs would be sent on Aug 1, so developers who did not want to pay shut their apps down on June 30 so they wouldn’t have even one bill for API use. However, it also sounds like Reddit shut off the API early from what Christian Selig said so they continued their petty games.
Obligatory fuck u/spez
When the API shut off early, Apollo dev u/iamthatis (@fhristianselig@mastodon.social) revoked his token so I cannot see any of this
Yeah, Reddit singled his app out to be cut off first. So petty.
Are you willing to test. If Boost is working it’s a matter of any day it will shut off. Boost Dev is already making a lemmy app. Reddit is gonna die and hard!
I can’t wait for the Lemmy Boost app. Wish kbin had an API so there’d be apps for it as well though.
Thanks for the heads up!
I swear I have a kbin app called /kbin that got advertised to me here. For Android.
Yes. That’s a PWA (Progressive Web App) - it is like a real app but functions inside a Web browser. It’s pretty good.
This is a fancy bookmark from wherever your browser is. I have the same “app” and so do people who use Firefox on iOS. What you’re looking at is essentially the same thing as kbin on the mobile internet.
The apps in development will have other QoL features that will be more similar to Apollo (but I hope more similar to Infinity for Android).
The API will come. It’s still very early days for the kbin project. It’s, uh, kind of alpha software.
They’re working on the kbin api stuff right now. It’sa priority. Also, check out Artemis magazine on kbin
reddit is going to continue on just fine lmfao, unreal how confused some people are
Reddit will be fine in the short term sure, but anyone who actually gave enough of a shit to put in the effort needed for it to work well have left or stated that they will no longer do anything more than the bare minimum. Reddit will still be around for a while, but it will never be the same place it was, and eventually will just become irrelevant as it’s overrun with trolls and scammers. I give it 3 - 5 more years before it disappears without fanfare and no one will care.
It’ll be fine in the same way Facebook is fine. It’ll have users, and it’ll maybe even make money. But Facebook is filled with negativity, regurgitated content, aggressive monetisation and an ever-increasing lack of personal connection.
I logged into Facebook for something last week for the first time in a long time. 14 out of the first 20 posts in my feed - so 70% - were “suggestions” or “promotions”. It wasn’t stuff posted by people I know or pages I’ve liked, and it wasn’t even stuff that people I know or pages I’ve liked had interacted with. It was adverts and shitty, lowest-common-denominator content that I had no interest in.
Facebook isn’t dead but it might as well be as far as I’m concerned. It’s no longer enjoyable, interesting or useful to me. And Reddit is going down that same path.
Facebook is nowhere near as dead as you think it is. It is still the best place for local groups and many niche hobbyist groups. I really don’t want reddit to be another version of that, 1 crappy social site is enough. Also you’re missing a key differentiating factor: facebook has actual paid content moderators.
I don’t think reddit will die, at least not right away (remember, digg shut down finally in 2018).
Best case scenario is they hemorrhage users, fail ipo, and then join the fediverse. I say this because joining will create a bridge for new users to come here.
Worst case scenario is they become like twitter. which is possible.
My money is on them trying to sell to Microsoft or Google for ai training, and keeping their api private.You’re making a great point about Facebook. It’s still insanely popular among older and more rural Americans. I guess these are populations that would be more isolated without it and still see the value in participating. One example: I have a 21 year old niece who is on it 24/7, but then again she is a hour’s drive from the nearest Walmart and and her parents. Three hundred miles from her bestie. She’s two-thousand-ish miles away from me. She has my number, but she prefers Messenger to text.
It’s also good for community groups, online garage sales, in memoriam pages, and the like. Some businesses like to use it instead of having a proper website, probably due to zero cost of hosting and familiarity of use.*
Reddit never fit naturally with any of those, but I’m sure it will find a niche of users in the same way.
*I’m sure there are other dynamics worldwide where Facebook might also be a valuable tool. These are just the first few examples I can think of in the US.
I’m not contributing much anymore with Apollo gone. The official mobile app doesn’t pull me in like Apollo did. I may be in the minority.
While Reddit might be fine it also could go down the same path as Yahoo, AIM, or Twitter. Either dying a slow death or ending up a shell of what it once was.
Hell even Slashdot still limps along, a shell of what it what it was before everyone moved from it to Reddit. For large ranges of “fine” I’m sure Reddit will fall into some category for some time at least.
Apollo dosnt work.
Apollo dev recorded and posted on twitter him deleting the API key
Ironically, many people won’t be able to see that because of Musk limiting people’s ability to use Twitter.
anonymous RIF seems to still work, even though logged in doesn’t. it’s not like the whole website is gated, I suspect many of these apps treat anon vs logged in requests differently
Same with Relay… I checked it to see what the dead so would look like and all the genetic frontage posts loaded in… It’ll be interesting to see what happens.
The author of relay put out a post saying that it’ll keep going for free while he decides what the subscription model is going to look like - it’s the top post in the sub ATM.
Was surprised with that choice, but it doesn’t change anything - not using it anymore regardless
Maybe they’re just waiting until after the holiday weekend?
good to know, I can continue to not use it then
Infinity is still working too.
Relay is also still working and the developer (dBrandy) plans a subscription model
dBrady* although dBrandy sounds very amusing.
Is this only happening for Boost?
RIF works if you’re logged out. Logged in you get a 429 error.
Joey is still working
Joey gang
Joey app and developer are excellent. The UI customization and theming features are superb.
Apparently not, as someone else mentioned Relay is still running as well.
Yup, Relay is working fine for me. The Dev said it will remain free through this month and then switch a subscription.
RIF is also still working
(logout if it doesnt, i’ve never personally used it logged in)
Wat. Not for me
It’s only working for me if I’m not logged in.
Huh, it seems to have logged me out after the 30th and is still working now.
What does this mean though? Don’t want the dev to get chargedYeah I remember how they tried telling the Apollo dev that the bills won’t be due for 30 days so that was like giving them more time. I’d expect that any apps that are still open are going to get a bill in a month.
Narwhal is still open too, I pulled up a list of my subreddits to look for equivalents.
You can’t just charge people out of nowhere when they didn’t sign a contract and blatantly did not consent via their announcements their apps were dead
Narwhal announce they had worked out a deal with Reddit
Yup, working for me not logged in(because I deleted the accounts.)
I hope Reddit isn’t going to send @rmayayo some stupid bill for the app still working
I also still have access with synced after patching it in ReVanced manager. The official app unfortunately died :(
How does that work? Doesn’t it need an API key to make calls?
Checked and its still working for me 🫣
