Updated to remove Bakunin and Chomsky
I mean can we like not fuck with Chomsky anymore?
True, take Graeber instead
Idk. He’s alright for baby anarchists, I think.
It’s not like Bakunin was too great on everything, either.
Reminder: Chomsky was a friend of Jeffrey Epstein.
It’s not like Bakunin was too great on everything, either.
Actually I’d be cool with dumping Bakunin from this image for his anti-Semitism. Actually actually, I’d be cool dumping all the people from the left side of the image and replacing them with specific books or articles because IMO hero-worship is a bad look for anarchists. We can read those authors’ books without glazing those authors.
chomsky is like the modern tankie? Supportive of the russian invasion and a genocide denier. (cambodian genocide)
You are propagating misinformation. Chomsky challenged some sloppy reporting by the NYT. He never denied the atrocities.
The degree Chomsky is becoming demonized even in anarchist spaces is very childish and irresponsible.
oh yea? and where is your source then? and on what? Russian invasion? or the genocide? you are defending a guy who hung out with epstein on his little plane.
He is not your friend.
Chomsky sat on an airplane, and criticized NYT reporting on atrocities in Cambodia.
Neither are bad acts.
His position on the Russian invasion is a standard leftist position, which includes a proper criticism of US imperialism and NATO expansion as antecedents of the war, in contrast to the US nationalist position of demonizing and blaming Putin, while also denying or glorifying US and NATO expansion.
Your information is not accurate, and your judgments are not thoughtful.
ah yes ofcourse - Evil nato expansion is why russia had to “defend itself”
which is not a “standard leftist talking point”. it’s a standard tankie point. Nato expansion was very very wanted. polands entire foreign policy was around getting it. US didnt even wanna expand.
problem with that point is simple. It’s not a reason to invade and kill people. US is bad yes, but why the fuck is US bad when Russia invades? it’s an excuse for war. excuse for imperialism.
Looks like I gave up explaining tho 🤷 at this point I dont think either of us were trying. Enjoy thinking chomsky is worth defending.
States always protect their own interests. It is the fact of their nature. Complaining about it, or attacking those who express such an understanding, is counterproductive.
NATO expansion was wanted by European governments, many of them right wing, in order for an opportunity to share in the fruits of US imperialism. NATO expansion is very much tied to the military-industrial complex, which seeks to expand the sales of weaponry manufactured in the US. The weapons purchased by other states contributes to the burden of the working class in such states, who provide the labor that funds such sales.
The inevitable effects of the expansion has been to escalate geopolitical tensions, which, as plainly seen before our eyes with the devastation in Ukraine, has been profoundly harmful to the working class.
Insistence that the US has no intrinsic will to expand, but is compelled otherwise, is absurd beyond imagination. The US is the global imperialist hegemon, with interference in very corner of the world, including military bases in dozens of countries. I am sorry, but such a claim in particular is one you should reconsider seriously.
I think your definition of tankie is a bit off. AAFAIK, he opposed the USSR and stated that he didn’t consider it socialist. Don’t know enough about his stance on the war in Ukraine. But that doesn’t make you a tankie.
who’s chomsky? I stole this meme
Chomsky is the old dude in the upper right hand corner of the left-libertarian side. Although Chomsky claims to be an anarcho-syndicalist and wrote Manufacturing Consent, he was in the Epstein files:
Apparently Epstein “collected” scientists, and besides his social work, Chomsky is also a renowned linguist. (Like if you read textbooks on natural language processing and the author starts with a historical overview, Chomsky will show up.) But based on his (non-)responses so far, I am (and basically anyone who knows about Epstein stuff is) highly skeptical that Chomsky didn’t know about Epstein’s monstrous activities.
Chomsky is also a renowned linguist.
This is a bit off topic but in uni I was in a computer linguists group that strongly opposed Chomsky’s theory. In my master thesis about Role and Reference Grammar, I quoted from this article: Blame Chomsky For Non Speaking AI
I guess that’s part of why I never looked too deep into his politics and now I feel like I knew it all along. It’s a similar feeling as the one I have for never having liked Harry Potter. It’s the feeling that I’m a better anarchist than you.
That’s way more interesting than whatever crap I was on about! My current research area is in dynamical systems, so I’ve seen formal languages in the context of discrete-event systems, i.e. finite-state machines, Petri nets, etc. (E.g., the logic inside a traffic light is a discrete-event system.) That, and the LLM textbook I’ve been reading in my free time (Large Language Models: A Deep Dive by Kamath et al). (I’m gonna read the actual papers eventually, but I want to get a basic overview of the current state of the art before I do.) So I’m definitely not an expert on linguistics or computer science; my background is more engineering + applied math.
Chomsky also quite explicitly supported russia after the full-scale Ukraine invasion started. So yeah, he’s all kinds of asshole.
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According to Chomsky, Russia is acting with restraint and moderation
Is that the “critical support” so popular on .ml?
Russian aggression was simply inevitable as a consequence of the US and NATO refusing to do other than continuously escalate tension.
Ah, of course it can’t be the aggressor’s fault. Everyone else must be wrong.
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Oh, I wouldn’t dare lay hands on your favourite.
Though you might want to take your “US bad therefore russia good” campist shit back to the tankie instances, where it belongs.
oh yeah, that’s fuck up, i’ll edit the meme
Also if you’re editing, it’s probably a good idea to toss Bakunin too.
I’ve already figured that out from other comments and have edited him out, thank you for letting me know
Bury your heroes, but also refrain from attacks that are biased or speculative.
Buddy, that is a photograph. I do not need to speculate about Chomsky: he’s skeevy. QED.
The photograph shows a man seated in a chair. Get a grip.
Oh I see, you’re not wearing your glasses. Here, borrow mine. 👓
Glasses cannot correct your deficits in critical thinking,
Noam Chomsky is (was?) a linguistics professor at MIT who is mainly known for his social commentary and criticism.
