The black panther party needs to come back again. USA needs a revolution.
Just remember how scared and violent the Philidelphia police got when they felt threatened by the Black Panthers in the 80’s. The MOVE bombing.
We need more self-defense (or community defense) now more than ever. For Renee Nicole Good.
good for them
when somebody on the right says “this is just asking for trouble”, tell them that Kyle Rittenhouse went there to defend businesses (not even people) and they approved of his actions, and so they can shut the fuck up
Don’t even try to give them an argument, tell them to shut the fuck up. Never give them validity to their bullshit arguments.
The best argument against people who argue in bad faith is “I don’t care” and move on.
in practice, yes this is what I actually say. fuck 'em, there’s no discussion to be had with them anyways. but the full form mention of Rittenhouse is clear cut and indefensible by their own logic (but yes we all know that their own logic is not actually logic yaddayaddayadda)
Remember: Peaceful protests are like barking - annoying, but by itself harmless. It’s the fear of the bite that makes the barking scary.
You don’t have to jump straight to violence, and I believe that it’s more effective to start with non-violent demands. Once you escalate, there’s nowhere left to go. But the threat of it is what makes the peaceful option less destructive.
As the saying goes: Nothing will meaningfully change until the rich fear for their lives.
Unions are the peaceful alternative for negotiations that workers and their bosses agreed upon instead of dragging them out of the factory into the street and beating them to death.
More people need to remember this history.
Even MLK credited the success of his work during the Civil Rights Movement to the Black Panthers being willing to do what he could not, and the Million Man March on Washington - seen today as an example of successful peaceful protest - was a threat to every white American in a seat of power. If he could mobilize a million people to shut down the capital of the federal government peacefully, imagine what else they could do.
This is the key point that many do not get. There must be the threat of violence AND the non-violent union/organised resistance option to defeat authoritarian governments. One or the other on its own will not work.
Unfortunately for the US, the rich have spent the decades since the Civil Rights Movement convincing the general populace that their rights were won by holding a snarky sign on a street corner and not by burning down entire city districts after the murder of MLK by the government (which his family proved in court, by the way. Unfortunately, no criminal court would hear the case so it was only in a civil court, but the judge was convinced well enough to find the government guilty).
Years of protesting and nothing solid was accomplished. Within a week of billions of dollars in damage to property and big business, the Civil Rights laws were drafted, voted on, and signed into law.
“Power concedes nothing without a demand.” -Fredrick Douglas
The only way to tell if your protests are working is if the state is restoring to violence to stop you from continuing to demonstrate.
The only way protests are ultimately effective is for the beleaguered group to be easier to negotiate with then it is to further supress them with violence.
The powerful give no ground willingly. It must be taken from them.
Historically, angry Marxist-Leninists with guns have been very useful allies in dealing with NAZIs! But history suggests that things didn’t work out too well afterwards, for those ruled by the angry Marxist-Leninists with guns …
Of all they people I know, they would say free health care or free lunch for kids. Them being ML wouldn’t even come in top 5 things about them, unless of course you were looking to criticise them
Are Black Panthers marxist-leninists?
They at least used to be …
The Black Panther Party was. Not to say these guys are tho.
ok looking into this more they just liked revolutionary movement and anti-capitalist and anti-imperialism agenda which is basically cherry picking the “duuuh” parts out of generally awfuly evil ideology.
Hey, my city is on Lemmy!
wait… shit… my city is in the news…
shit’s about to go down… 👀
Fuck yes! Show them something more than a sign saying “I’m not very happy about the current state of affairs. Sorry”!
Agreed! We should all take example from the Marxist-Leninists over at the Black Panthers and organize to protect each other from the fascists in power in the US and in the EU!
The article is behind a paywall.
My computer is loading it fine, try incognito
Eeeeyyyy, the Black Panthers are still a thing?
They never stopped being a thing
Are they still marxista-leninist?
If you are a black Panther, but an Arch user as well:
“I feel like we’re welcome,” said one member, also carrying a firearm, who identified himself as Comrade Arch. He said he was a fan of the original group growing up, and he joined a few months ago. “I’ve always had a revolutionary spirit.”
Hell yeah, the Black Panthers are exactly the heroes we need right now.
Agreed! Just to remind everyone, from Wikipedia:
The Black Panther Party (originally the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense) was an American far-left, Marxist–Leninist and black power political organization
Marxism-Leninism offers answers to the literal problems we’re living today. Organize and read!!
Fuck yeah! More violence! Let the blood run through the streets, may your children grow up without fathers, and your daughters carry your replacement for the front.
Self defense is not violence.
didn’t realize trying to deter people from committing violence by showing that you can defend yourself was itself committing violence
“Rather live oppressed than die free”.
- You, probably.
“mmmmm. Boot. My favorite!”
That guy, almost certainly
“Tread harder on me, Daddy!”
- Their flags and cum socks
There is a whole universe of difference between Black Panthers present as an armed deterrent to defend protesters peacefully exercising their First Amendment rights, and agents provocateurs there to start shit and raise hell to light the match for the real violence against all of us to begin.
Or, to put it more simply, do you see these guys shooting? No. You do not. You see them walking calmly in open carry. That is not violent protest; it is a very strong preventive of violent protest.
And frankly you sound angrier about that than you do the reason the Black Panthers are there in the first place. Maybe go read something about the Black Panthers, starting with the above article. You might learn something. They are on the side of the community, first and foremost. That may not be your side, but it sure as fuck is mine.
Congrats on getting the most downvotes I think I’ve seen someone get on Lemmy in a long time.
Thanks, I’m hoping the advertisers will notice.
They won’t lmao.
may your children grow up without fathers, and your daughters carry your replacement for the front.
At the current rate you, your wife and your children will die in a concentration camp or get executed for looking at a fed the wrong way. Better to die resisting than while licking boot.
Idiot, truly.
They have committed no acts of violence. Arguably they are the most effective deterrent
We didn’t start the bloodshed, the Republicans are attacking us and we are merely defending our safety.
I’d hate to see them shoot anyone in the face, like some kind of ICE agent, that sure would be terrible. Expect that they don’t. They are defensive, they are heroes, take your rhetoric of imagined violence and shove it up your ass where the real brutalization and murder of innocence lives.
Maybe you shouldn’t have voted for this then. Weird how the one not wanting bloodshed is the one perfectly fine with what’s going on.
What else is there to say?
Fight the power!
Elvis was a hero to most
Elvis was a hero to most
Elvis was a hero to most
But he never meant shit to me you see
Straight up racist that sucker was
Simple and plain
Mother fuck him and John Wayne
Love that part.
Reminder to everyone that the hugely successful and wonderful original Black Panther Party were considered “authoritarian” and “violent” by the majority of whites back in the day. The Black Panthers were OG Tankies in every sense of the word, and they were incredibly good as a consequence. From Wikipedia:
The Black Panther Party (originally the Black Panther Party for Self-Defense) was an American far-left, Marxist–Leninist and black power political organization founded by college students Bobby Seale and Huey P. Newton in October 1966
Regarding a visit of Huey P. Newton to China:
During the trip, the Chinese arranged for him to meet and have dinner with an ambassador from North Korea, an ambassador from Tanzania, and delegations from both North Vietnam and the Provisional Revolutionary Government of South Vietnam.[44] Newton was under the impression he was going to meet Mao Zedong, chairman of the Chinese Communist Party, but instead had two meetings with Chinese Premier Zhou Enlai. One of these meetings also included Mao’s wife Jiang Qing. Newton described China as “a free and liberated territory with a socialist government”
THESE are the people that we disregard and insult and call “tankies”!!
Good. I’m willing to bet jackbooted thugs are less likely to shoot someone when there’s a visibly armed protestor nearby.
I’m not sure if it’s crazier that statement was made or the fact that I read it and agreed with it before I even thought how crazy of a time this is.
1960’s all over again.
But probably worse.
60s was far worse. Entire parts of large cities burned to theground, mass murders at college campuses by National Guard, KKK very active in Mississipi …
The 20s are not over, and Donvict 2.0 is only at the one year mark.
Vietnamese and Cambodians are probably liking this decade a bit more.
I mean… They seem perfectly capable of fighting amongst themselves…
At least they aren’t super soldiers with ray guns
Hard agree on that front. The world is absolutely crazypants batshit right now.
A specific part more than others though
Sure, if you don’t count the unrest in Iran, the ongoing invasion of Ukraine, the Chinese genocide of the Uyghurs, the Israeli genocide in Gaza, etc etc etc
Then sure, the world is a rosy and wonderful place other than the US.
Didn’t say the world is a rosy and wonderful place. But unrest in Iran, Russian imperialism, Chinese suppression and Israel killing Palestinians has sadly been the status quo for the last few decades. I interpreted batshit crazy as very different than it was before. But you’re right, there is a lot more places where life has gotten harder.
If it makes it any better this has happened repeatedly historically. Though it only really works when the ones you’re protesting against are gormless cowards, so it should be rather effective.
Think of a bully if someone stronger stands up to them they will run a way. I would like to see vets, blank panthers and others stand and protect the protesters. Having black panthers and vets unite for one common cause would send a powerful message.
Not specifically for vets, but the Iron Front is very popular with a lot of the antifascist vets I know, including myself.
Edit - The Sons of Liberty are specifically a vet organization
Thanks for the link for iron front and the fact that they have Blue sky is better
You’re welcome!
