Hi. So I (15F/M) have a sister ‘Cecilia’ (13F). Cecilia and our uncle have had a long history of arguing. Not only is our uncle racist, but he is also a bit transphobic to me in the past especially, and a misogynist who used to beat his ex-wife and current wife whenever he was angry, which he claimed was because of the medication he was on/alcohol, IDK.

One day, he tried to ask Cecilia to get him back with his ex-wife who already has a husband and a kid. However, Cecilia said no. He called her a traitor, she blocked him, and he told me to “tell Cecilia fuck you”.

Our grandma, however, the Mom of our uncle and dad, told Cecilia she should apologize and “admit her wrongdoing” so they could be a whole family again.

Is Cecilia TA for refusing to apologize and not forgiving our uncle?

My vote, but this is me: NTA.

  • inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world
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    6 days ago

    Sorry your uncle is an abusive assholes and grandma is an enabler.

    For what it’s worth, my life got a ton better once I stopped talking to the family. Food for thought

    Wishing you the best!

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    9 days ago

    Even if your sister was remotely in the wrong here, which she isn’t, she’s 13 and can’t be expected to be the adult in this situation - though it already sounds like she is. The uncle is pathetic man.

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        9 days ago

        IMO someone needs to notify his ex-wife. Like this is major, major red flag behaviour.

        Like the fact that he thinks a 13yo girl can help him win his re-married ex wife back indicates to me he does not have a grip on reality.

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    9 days ago

    Am I missing something? Who asks a 13-year-old to help him get with a woman who is married with a kid? Make that make sense. Until then, NTA.

    Also, a 13 year old is never to blame for fucking up the family. Chances are the family was fucked up before the child came along. No offense. You seem alright. I mean the people victim blaming the child. Sounds like something between gaslighting and grooming.

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    9 days ago

    Is this a real post? So your uncle is a racist, transphobic, wife beating, alcoholic and asked a child to break up his ex wife’s new family. The child said no. Is the child the asshole? What?

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    9 days ago

    If everything is how you’ve described, Cecilia is not only NOT the asshole, but doing you proud by standing up to a bigoted family member. A lot of families will have that person (your grandmother) who is willing to turn a blind eye to some pretty awful things in the name of Keeping The Family Together. Keep your distance from your uncle, and explain to grandma that it’s uncle that is separating the family, not you.

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    Sorry your situation is not at all funny, but the audacity of asking your sister to apologize to him after that is nuts. If he wanted to be a ‘whole family’ and be welcomed by your sister then he needs to acknowledge his faults and make amends. There are medications that can induce or enhance rage, but ultimate responsibility still lies with the person taking it. If medication or alcohol was pushing him towards hurting his loved ones, he needed to stop taking it or remove himself from places he could do harm while on it. Simple as.

    Now for the flip-side of this situation, if your uncle is struggling with addiction and violence then quite likely he is in need of help himself. That is not said to excuse him, but simply to remind you and your sister that a part of addiction is physical dependence and part is mental dependence. You are not responsible or required to assist in his recovery, but if he means a great deal to you or if you feel he has improved enough to be safe to be around I’m sure it wouldn’t hurt. Don’t put yourself or your future in danger for that, but if you are open to it when you are an adult yourself supporting loved ones can be a part of a healthy recovery.

    Having family with these issues is really difficult and if you need to talk to someone directly you should reach out to someone who is qualified to help you. I can’t promise doing so will make the situation better, but it is an option you should consider. I grew up in a household with substance use and physical violence, and escaped but not fully unscathed. It can be a long road to recovery both for those struggling with addicition and for those who survive the abuse that can come from someone struggling like that. Key takeaways from the work I’ve done in my own situation are the following:

    • Don’t take blame for things other people have done. Any actions your uncle takes in response to arguments, or interactions with you are his to own. That includes if you fully cut off contact. What he does after that is on him.

    • Your uncle is human and wasn’t always this way, and perhaps won’t always be this way. There is potential to help him grow and to get closer to him in the future, but as a child especially you do not have an obligation to help.

    • You and the people around your uncle have likely picked up behaviors you are not even aware of to protect yourself around him. People build habits all the time without realizing, and the habits that may serve you now might become problems later in your life. Myself I became aggressively argumentive for a time when I felt like I was being attacked verbally, because that was a way that helped me as a child escape dangerous situations with my family. So later in life I would sometimes inappropriately lash out verbally in conversations that brought me back to that place, which harmed my relationships. The thing you have to remember is not to harbor too much guilt about what you do in the next few years to survive an unpleasant family dynamic. You are both children and shouldn’t have to be in this situation. You will do what you have to in order to get through. Be gentle with yourself after, you will recover faster if you understand that.

    • The transphobic and misogynist things your uncle is saying are an unfortunately common and poisonously hateful ideology. Much like addiction it is possible to pull people out of it, but also like addiction there will be forces in your uncle’s life that brought him here. Likely in this case, a predatory class of media grifters who have filled his head with hate. Again it is not your responsibility as children to fix this. More than that, with this pushing him could make him fall further into it. He may still be actively making it worse by consuming conservative media as well. They also have an outsized presence in the addiction recovery space. So be ready for that

    TLDR: NTA. Ineligible to even possibly be TA in this circumstance, and good luck and best wishes to you and your sister

    Edit: Replaced an offer with a more appropriate response

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    9 days ago

    Grandma ITA. OP please understand she just doesn’t want to admit she’s a failure as a parent. If she can force you to accept her son’s behaviour than she can keep lying to herself and ignoring what a shitty person she raised.

    The argument with your sister is the least weird and unhinged part of you uncles activities. Me personally, I’d notify that lady. Sounds like uncle is a stalker.

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      9 days ago

      Parents have a limited ability to determine the actions of offspring. Grandma and uncle may both be TA, but grandma may also be as good a parent as she could be. Let us judge each based on their own words. There is no need to hold grandma responsible for uncle’s faults.

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        9 days ago

        Weren’t not talking about her in the past. She’s a shitty parent NOW.

        Grandma is the one insisting a 13 yo has to apologize to her uncle for not helping him break up his ex wifes new family. She is literally the entire reason for this post. She’s continuing to enable her shitty son by gaslighting a 13 yo girl… so her bad parenting is ongoing.

        Let us judge each based on their own words. There is no need to hold grandma responsible for uncle’s faults.

        This is lemmy not the supreme court lmao. Aint no judges here. chill out.

  • lohky@lemmy.world
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    9 days ago

    You’ve made three theads about this uncle in the last week. Why don’t you just like… not talk to them anymore?

    Go get a hobby or something. Go outside. Have a personality outside of being a victim of this chud.

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      9 days ago

      NGL YTA with this comment. OP is a 15yo kid that can’t even drive.

      You’re literally shitting on a kid for protecting his little sister.

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        9 days ago

        Nah, along with OP’s post history, this is tablet kid self-victimizing bullshit. OP has no supervision and is picking fights with the closest person they know they can get a rise out of.

        OP and the uncle deserve each other as two sides of the same coin.

        Also, I am figuratively shitting on them for their wild and inappropriate behavior, not literally.

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          9 days ago

          Nah you’re just a loser bullying a teenager online.

          Not even an asshole. Just a loser.

          • lohky@lemmy.world
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            9 days ago

            ¯\(ツ)

            Real world advice for a teenager that is able to communicate with strangers on the internet. OP seems to constantly put themselves in terrible, dangerous situations; Maybe they should try not doing that, this post included.

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              8 days ago

              Honestly as a parent you should be ashamed of yourself. What a disgusting callous and ignorant attitude. Especially for a parent of a special needs child. I’m honestly astonished at the complete lack of sympathy and empathy on your part.

              OP and the uncle deserve each other as two sides of the same coin.

              You are way more like OPs uncle than they are.

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                8 days ago

                I lack sympathy because I can tell the difference between attention seeking behaviour and actual mental health issues.

                This is attention seeking behavior. Nothing that OP is doing ever needed to happen and OP and their sister could have easily walked away from all of it. It sounds like the sister did the exact right thing in blocking the uncle and moving on.

                You’ve clearly read my post history. Do yourself a favor and read OP’s.