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I get it’s a meme and all, but no AES state has ever claimed they’re five years away from a stateless society. You’d be selling out your own people if you dismantled your state while the entire capitalist world wants to kill you.
what do you mean you can’t combat the CIA with vibes?
db0 posters be like YASSS NEPAL DO THAT EVERYWHERE
found the tankie you pissed off
Fascists were running pogroms in the streets of Budapest, Kruschev was a revisionist bastard but the only mistake he made there was not sending more tanks
But considering that you can call someone “tankie” with a straight face and act like it’s a serious point I take it you don’t have a fucking clue what I’m talking about because the last time you read a book was in high school
Tankies when you dont defend “red” fašism:
Alright. What would your suggestion be in that situation then, oh wise one? What is the enlightened “non authoritarian” approach to dealing with fascists. I’d love to hear it
I mean, not defending fascist regimes would be a great start (but you failed that one already)
Answer the question mother fucker. There’s fascists rampaging through the streets armed and looking to kill. What do you do about this?
I think enough of us are in a position where answering that would be unwise.
Not rely on the fascists in power to deal with their own and defederated anarchist style antifa milišas
calling the people who sent in tanks to prevent a fascist regime “tankies” in a derogatory fashion while equating them with actual fascists is literally you defending a fascist regime. That is literally the thing that you are doing when you make dumbfuck equivocations like that.
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class conflict ends when you have a revolution and everyone lives in harmony
Remember… China has more than 300 billionaire parasites, meaning China harbours the second-largest billionaire parasite infestation on the planet after the US.
Remember that next time your local tankies start blathering about (so-called) “AES” again.
“China Executes 14 Billionaires in 8 Years, Culture News Reports”
Sounds like they have their billionaire class under control. Over an 8 year period they executed something like nearly 5% but definitely more than 2.5% of the billionaire class for criminality.
You project your understanding of the lawless billionaires of the West to China when their system simply does not work the same. Chinese billionaires face significant consequences for malfeasance and their class is closely controlled by the Party which they aren’t not even allowed to join. Their class is only allowed to join the non-voting advisory body called the Chinese People’s Political Consultative Conference (CCPCC) where they can make legislative proposals for the CPC to review.
So to review as a class their political influence is subordinated to the workers party and when they break the law they are held accountable, they are even executed for serious crimes.
The billionaire class of China is incomparable to the lawless corrupt class of criminal billionaires that we have in the West
“USA put the Enron guys in jail, it’s proof they have their billionaire class under control”
Is there some substantial way in which billionaires in China have political power and conform a ruling class? Because I figure in the US billionaires are the ruling class, the president is one, yet in China billionaires are always scared that they are at the people’s mercy and can have it all taken away at any point.
Billionaires in USA are the same way, or did you fail to notice the parade of billionaires prostrating themselves on Trump and kissing the ring? The mere existence of Billionaires is evidence of a failed system, and of definite non-existence of socialism.
You think in the US the state controls the billionaires?
Also I’m pretty sure Cuba is still socialist even though billionaires exist outside of Cuba. Hell, some of those billionaires might somehow own shares in enterprises that exist in Cuba, which would mean there’s workers in Cuba being exploited by capitalist billionaires. Does that make Cuba no longer socialist? Would it become not-socialist if the billionaires were Cuban instead (which would be preferable to being exploited by foreign imperialists, by the way)?
You think in the US the state controls the billionaires?
I think It’s a mutually beneficial relationship. The state can hurt the billionaires, and they can hurt the state. Both of these come at a cost to oneself, so they prefer cooperating for their class interest. Like Chinese billionaires do with their party partners. It’s only the ones who cause too much of a ruckus due to greed that get cut down. The others are coddled, like every other capitalist project.
Also I’m pretty sure Cuba is still socialist even though billionaires exist outside of Cub[…]Does that make Cuba no longer socialist?
Yes.
I think It’s a mutually beneficial relationship. The state can hurt the billionaires, and they can hurt the state. Both of these come at a cost to oneself, so they prefer cooperating for their class interest.
I guess I don’t think you are totally incorrect but this is a bad analysis regardless. You’re painting this as if it was a totally reciprocal and symmetric situation. The US state is totally subservient to the billionaire class: this is evident in its financial policy, foreign policy, down to the way elections are run. The actions you may point to as counterexamples are either capitalist infighting (e.g. the tech capitalists cannibalizing media, monopolization) or the state pushing one capitalist in line to protect the collective interests of all the others. In any long term frame, the US state does nothing but protect its capitalists. That’s what the state exists to do.
Like Chinese billionaires do with their party partners. It’s only the ones who cause too much of a ruckus due to greed that get cut down. The others are coddled, like every other capitalist project.
These 2 sentences are an error that can only be made by missing the forest for the trees as you did in the beginning of your reply. Do you really think the PRC operates with the same guiding principles and historical outlook as the imperialist US state? Looking at the news must be very confusing for you!
Also, you reject Cuban socialism? Do you think socialism is supposed to exist in the real world or is it just for intellectual masturbation?
Sounds like they have their billionaire class under control.
Yeah… just like the old royals of Europe once thought they had the merchant classes under control, eh?
Do tell tankie… how far is China in the “capitalism-to-socialism” pipeline by now?
Somewhere in the middle, maybe?
Why don’t you just admit that you don’t actually believe in concepts such as socialism and communism at all?
Yeah… just like the old royals of Europe once thought they had the merchant classes under control, eh?
we can show you evidence that the capitalist class in China is clearly subordinated to communist party interests but you’ll just default to this non-thinking shit anyway so what’s the point
western “anarchists” (whose posts histories are all NATO leftist shit, wahh wahhh the uighers etc) gonna keep malding, China’s responsible for literally all gains against poverty worldwide since the fucking 1980s, workers seeing 500% increases in average wages while standards of living are already higher than in the west (if you’re not too fucking ignorant to actually see what’s in front of your eyes)
keep malding over THE TANKIES
we can show you evidence that the capitalist class in China
Oh?
China has a capitalist class, do they?
You certain you want to admit to that?
Really, really sure?
Again…
You certain you want to admit to that?
Really, really sure?
60 seconds to see my admission
Why don’t you just admit that you don’t actually believe in concepts such as socialism and communism at all?
Why don’t you admit this, dipshit?
Because you’re the tankie demonstrating your hypocrisy for all to see. Not me.
So again… why don’t you just admit that you don’t actually believe in concepts such as socialism and communism at all?
No I’m not. Learn to read usernames, dumbass.
I am, in fact, a communist, which is why I support a country that actually executes billionaires for misbehaving.
Oh, I’m sorry, is it too “tankie” to execute billionaires?
Learn to read usernames, dumbass.
I read yours. Twice. Are you as inane as your username suggests?
a country that actually executes billionaires for misbehaving.
Which billionaires are they executing, tankie?
American ones? Japanese ones? German ones, perhaps?
Mind clearing that up for me?
Which billionaires are they executing, tankie?
Are you so lazy that you can’t even read the article you were linked? Just read it, it’s not that long.
And what is your point here, anyway? Are you pro- or anti-billionaire? It’s really weird that you’re getting all upset about China executing billionaires, but here you are accusing everyone else of not being a real communist. Are billionaires a good thing or a bad thing? Pick a fucking lane already, lib.
I don’t believe in any political idealogies. I am a sceptic and committed to the advancement of humanity along whatever line brings the most good to the most people. China embodies this more than my home country or any of its allies. If your politcal dogma is more important to you than people I cant help you man. Unlike you I’m not married to any country or belief system.
When liberals like you LARP as communists or anarchists or whatever your brains and critical thinking completely shut down when comparing the West and China. You become as dogmatic as fundamentalist Christians on this subject.
Its like you know you are cucked by your ruling class and you are angry about the corruption and exploitation. Aware of. your own impotence you project your anger at other countries as a release valve.
“Do tell libcuck: do you think calling people names is persuasive? Do you think simping for the American empire will bring about communism and socialism?” ^this is how you sound
I bet if any other world government executed between 2.5% and 5% of a class in its country you would call it a genocide or crimes against humanity, but China executing criminal billionaires at that rate doesn’t even register to you as strict state control.
I’m surprised a frothing at the mouth China hater like you wouldn’t even use this as an opportunity to criticize their overuse of the death penalty. Keep your eyes on the ball dude, you could have been hammering China for being authoritarian mass murderers but instead it’s, “nuh uh! Expecting nearly 1 out of 20 billionaires doesn’t constitute control!” Fucking clown
I don’t believe in any political idealogies.
Oh look… a tankie going full liberal.
Colour me surprised.
You are literally posting on an instance for suburban liberals to LARP as anarchists
to LARP as anarchists
And you’d know this how?
Hang out with lots of anarchists, tankie?
You can become a billionaire in China, but billionaires don’t control the government there, and the law actually applies to them.
You can become a billionaire in China,
Oh, you can, huh?
Imagine that.
Do you think repeating what I said is insightful?
So do tell… when did the existence of a billionaire parasite class become an aspect of a socialist society?
When a socialist society needed to develop its economy enough to maintain internal support and survive against external aggression.
China endured its Century of Humiliation and then a genocidal occupation during WWII. The communists then had to win their civil war, only to immediately face U.S. aggression on their doorstep in Korea, plus hostile U.S. bases all over Korea, Japan, and Taiwan. In 1950 it was a poor, largely pre-industrial country with urgent, existential problems. How quickly were they supposed to build utopia?
to develop its economy enough to maintain internal support
It’s the second-largest economy on the planet, and is literally the largest state creditor.
So at what point will the PRC be ready to actually do something that can be called socialism with a straight face?
When their billionaires get tired of playing second-fiddle to a bunch of party bureaucrats, perhaps?
How quickly were they supposed to build utopia?
So… in your mind, concepts such as socialism and communism is “utopian…” not really realistic at all, correct?
What is it that you really stand for, then?
db0 continuing to be on the top 5 shitlib instances
Die mad and defedrate from us already.
They hate that they can’t ban us or kill us.
The meme is a throwaway. The comments are the gold.
Seriously, it will never stop being funny to watch shitlibs who have never read a book in their lives call everyone to the left of them ‘tankie’ and ‘fascist’ then double down when leftists with an actual understanding of history try to educate them.
any context on his outfit? Is that supposed to be a Chinese clown outfit or something?
Emperors clothing.
Crown is a 冕冠 (Mianguan), Robe is 衮龙袍 (Longpao).
To be more accurate I should have gone with a 冕服 (Mianfu) to pair with the crown, or used a court hat instead of a crown with the robe.
oh nice. Thanks for the information!
