The end goal of Christianity should be to love as God loves everyone, and to will for the salvation of all men, to have no enemies.

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    13 days ago

    But I feel it is the case that doing this does absolutely go aginst Christian virtues.

    If the followers of Christianity are going against “Christian virtues” then Christianity is clearly failing to promote Christian virtues. If your goal is to promote Christian virtues then promoting Christianity will hamper your efforts. Promoting Christianity works against your goals.

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      12 days ago

      This has become something of a tautology, though - you are equating Christianity with the behavior of its followers, and saying that the promotion of the actual text and classical understanding of Christianity is not the real one… And so “Christianity is not real Christianity because Christianity is only the Christianity filtered through imperfect people.”

      But here is another argument for you:

      Christianity has proven to be a pioneering and tolerant religion because it ultimately gave birth to the movements that enshrine the political rights of people that have lifestyles that run counter to its norms.

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        11 days ago

        saying that the promotion of the actual text and classical understanding of Christianity is not the real one…

        I don’t understand this sentence.

        Christianity has proven to be a pioneering and tolerant religion

        You’re the one who said there are followers of Christianity who are not acting in accord with the Christian virtue of humility.

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          11 days ago

          I don’t understand this sentence.

          I am just insisting that the authentic Christianity is the one of the teachings, not the one of the people who fail to live up to them.

          (I would also contend it is probably not as bas as you are saying. We will get into that in a minute.)

          Christianity has proven to be a pioneering and tolerant religion You’re the one who said there are followers of Christianity who are not acting in accord with the Christian virtue of humility.

          I think it’s acutally the case that Christians tended to be very tolerant of divergent lifestyles in comparison to other religions that wielded political power, like Islam, or even what we see from political Judaism today in Gaza.

          Christianity trended toward the secularizing the government, and it also traditionally tolerated all manner of sexual vice. 17th century England and France were pretty wild places, so was late Renaissance Italy, and this is quite different from the excesses of the Confucianists in the Song Dynasty or the Buddhits in the late Tang or late Tong Shilla dynasties in the sense that Buddhism was a very low intensity religion throughout the far East and Mahayana Buddhism tended towards endorsing transparently false and unbuddhist doctirnes when it comes to Buddhist soteriology (or should I say 'Nirvanology? lol)

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            11 days ago

            the authentic Christianity is the one of the teachings, not the one of the people who fail to live up to them

            I don’t understand this sentence.

            in comparison to other religions…

            Nothing you’ve said here contradicts what I said. Promoting Christianity works against your goal of promoting Christian virtues.

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              6 days ago

              So, there is some kind of disconnect here…

              You are saying that Christianity actively opposes the virtues of Christianity, right. Would you like to expand on that so I stop confusing your position?