So what do you propose for the narrow subject of speed limits or other rules of the road? It seems enforcement of them (which btw is very lacking otherwise people wouldn’t speed so much) is off the table since that’s a violation of privacy in your opinion. So honor system?
I agree with you on a broad scale, privacy is more important and government doesn’t belong in many places. But using a speeding post to bounce that off of is a weird take. There are many rules and regulations written in blood, and road laws are included in that. And without someone enforcing the laws (but not using that enforcement as a way to abuse power) it’s a free-for-all.
We could certainly discuss the details of traffic stops, speed trap designs and motives, and of course abuse of power. My little comment was simply that if you aren’t speeding, and there isn’t that abuse going on, why would they pull you over, and why would you care if they are watching for others who are going too fast?
Right, it still boils down to: if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. I get that you’re accepting that philosophy. I reject it. Using robots for surveillance state activities is a thing we, as a society, should emphatically take a stand against.
No, it boils down to whether or not you want some enforcement at all of the laws. If you don’t, then monitoring speeding and driving shouldn’t be done. Using privacy arguments for how you behave on a public motorway is a ridiculous stretch. It also muddies the water of the real problems with law enforcement issues, aka the police problem. Catching speeders is not one of these.
We’ve had enforcement without cameras and automation for generations. Gimme a break. You’re just advocating for enforcement by robots instead of by actual people. That’s not a good future to continue working toward.
If you’re wanting to beat strawmen, fine, but I never once mentioned robots, you brought it up and it had nothing to do with anything I’ve said. I even agree that automation is a dangerous route, as the AI craze is showing, but that’s not how this thread started or even was about.
So what do you propose for the narrow subject of speed limits or other rules of the road? It seems enforcement of them (which btw is very lacking otherwise people wouldn’t speed so much) is off the table since that’s a violation of privacy in your opinion. So honor system?
I agree with you on a broad scale, privacy is more important and government doesn’t belong in many places. But using a speeding post to bounce that off of is a weird take. There are many rules and regulations written in blood, and road laws are included in that. And without someone enforcing the laws (but not using that enforcement as a way to abuse power) it’s a free-for-all.
We could certainly discuss the details of traffic stops, speed trap designs and motives, and of course abuse of power. My little comment was simply that if you aren’t speeding, and there isn’t that abuse going on, why would they pull you over, and why would you care if they are watching for others who are going too fast?
Right, it still boils down to: if you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear. I get that you’re accepting that philosophy. I reject it. Using robots for surveillance state activities is a thing we, as a society, should emphatically take a stand against.
No, it boils down to whether or not you want some enforcement at all of the laws. If you don’t, then monitoring speeding and driving shouldn’t be done. Using privacy arguments for how you behave on a public motorway is a ridiculous stretch. It also muddies the water of the real problems with law enforcement issues, aka the police problem. Catching speeders is not one of these.
We’ve had enforcement without cameras and automation for generations. Gimme a break. You’re just advocating for enforcement by robots instead of by actual people. That’s not a good future to continue working toward.
If you’re wanting to beat strawmen, fine, but I never once mentioned robots, you brought it up and it had nothing to do with anything I’ve said. I even agree that automation is a dangerous route, as the AI craze is showing, but that’s not how this thread started or even was about.
Cameras watching and enforcing traffic laws is giving control to robots instead of people.
Edit to add: look into Clearview AI and then tell me you are still ok with copious public cameras and AI for police use.
Police officers should be people, and they should be seen, especially when patrolling
Lol, I never said any of that. Arguing just to argue.