• Count042@lemmy.ml
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    20 hours ago

    I remember protesting the Afghanistan war in 2001 when the war was incredibly popular… with the Democrats. With the right wing, it was a fucking Jihad.

    Everyone, including Democratic party members called the people against the war fifth columnists.

    It doesn’t matter how many words you write, calling people with positions you don’t agree with traitors <EDIT> on a foreign payroll </EDIT> is the most boringly unimaginative way to describe people you don’t like to those you think you do.

    You know why right wingers support Trump?

    • they’re financially hurting and don’t understand economics
    • things changed socially too fast for them and they’re scared.
    • they’re hurting, and do understand economics and are happy to burn if it also burns those they blame for their current status.
    • they’re assholes.
    • etc…

    There may be fifth columnists, but it would be somewhere less then a thousand people, but honestly I think that number is closer to zero. Why buy the cow when the milk is free.

    Meanwhile, the feckless DNC doesn’t have to fire it’s consultants, or purge the slotkins in their corner, because people are blaming Russia for American actions.

    It makes listening to your enemy impossible, too. Why bother trying to win them over, or figure out what drives them so you can stop it, they’re just literal traitors.

    I downvoted your post because, as with all accusations of fifth columnists, it is more a post of your failure of imagination and othering Americans with political views you don’t like.

    The othering isn’t wrong, innately, but if your answer to the question ‘why are Americans becoming Nazis?’ is Russia, then you’ll never be able to fix the real reasons and stop the flow of fucking Nazis.

    EDIT: none of the reasons above are good. But if you don’t know what they are, you can’t do anything about them.

    This is like Germany trying to blame some other country for the Nazi Party.

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      20 hours ago

      calling people with positions you don’t agree with traitors is the most boringly unimaginative way to describe people you don’t like to those you think you do.

      I’m not calling them traitors because I disagree with them. I’m calling them traitors because they’re god damned traitors. Do you not remember when Trump encouraged a bunch of his idiot followers to attempt to overthrow the sitting government on Jan 6th, 2021? It wasn’t that long ago. That’s treason. He is a traitor. Anybody who voted for a traitor is aiding and abetting the enemy, and is therefore also a traitor. The fact that we didn’t string him up immediately following that stunt is straight up appalling. The fact that we then allowed him the ability to run for president again is unconscionable.

      The othering isn’t wrong, innately, but if your answer to the question ‘why are Americans becoming Nazis?’ is Russia, then you’ll never be able to fix the real reasons and stop the flow of fucking Nazis.

      I think if you re-read what I wrote, you’ll see that I’m not just blaming Russia. I specifically mentioned home-grown racism as one of the driving factors. The nazis didn’t create American racism; American racism created the nazis. Hitler took great inspiration from our treatment of our indigenous population, our blatant antisemitism, and our oppression of black citizens. He modeled a lot of his policies on our behavior.

      That being said, Russia is definitely to blame for quite a lot of the disinformation sphere in this country. It is a very well documented, and well financed operation designed to destabilize the country, and it has been wildly successful. I mean, hell, it’s partially responsible for 70+ million Americans becoming full-on traitors.

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      I’m Canadian. I volunteered at the rubble at the WTC for a month as a rescue paramedic. Every time we “foreigners” brought up any resistance to the frothing and war mongering that was going on, we were told to “fuck off and go home”, “you couldn’t possibly understand what is happening here”.

      I gave a month of my life away from my family, my work and my home for the benefit of Americans. To give their families some closure, to help heal your country and all I got in return was vitriol and hatred. I stayed. I pushed through as did the rest of my crew.

      I haven’t been to the state’s since. I could give a fuck if they self destruct due to their own hatred of others. Fuck em. They all deserve it. They come across the border and I’ll be there waiting.