Its not a good thing but I dont think it will really gaslight the public. The average persons understanding of if their countries economy is doing well or not boils down to “do i feel richer or poorer than last election?”
Despite what some might think of bidenomics, which showed by most traditional metrics that the US economy was improving and recovering well from the pandemic, people still felt the economy was doing poorly because they felt poor… Because a lot of people now are poorer than previous generations. Which of course those tradtitional metrics dont really take into account that people get paid fuck all now, but my point is just that the official numbers dont mean a lot to the average voter.
The Us already does this. This is only news if you think Biden was any different.
I remember being told the economy was great and that complaining about the cost of rent and groceries going up, while the paychecks stayed the same with buying power going down, was because jealous of anyone else because the stocks were going up.
Is this a joke?
They are definitely different. Skewing perspective is always the thing they do but you know one of them is fucking insane about it. Dunno if you notice
No, this time he’s right. They both manipulate economic data shamelessly. There’s no greater evil if you ignore everything except lying about economic data for political reasons.
We’ve gone full circle from “Eggs are too high” to “Eggs are fine just shut up about it”.
Man I can’t wait for Trump to tell me that our wages being the same as they are since 2020 is actually a good thing when rent and groceries are going up, so we have even less purchasing power.
Cannot wait for the bothsiderists to claim how donvict doing things to actively crash the economy and then gaslight about it is equivalent to how terrible it was for Biden/Kamala to speak about an economy that was “the envy of the world”.
/> Trump does something outrageously fascist
/> “Man… leftist bug me”
Thanks for letting us know which side you’re on, and for spending your time critiquing the real issues.
Every time Trump does something stupid, a liberal will barge in and go “See? Aren’t I so much smarter than the leftists?” without being prompted, making up strawmen to be angry at. And if you get mad at them inventing people to be mad at, they claim you’re the strawman they made up.
Democrats can’t keep pretending theyre immune to criticism because they’re not fascists. Especially when they’re bending the knee to Fascists. You do have to keep the moral high ground to use the moral high ground.
“With Sleepy Joe Biden, nobody had cardboard, it was so hard to get, terrible economy, everybody said so, even the Democrats. Now you look around this great nation of ours, under my plan, everybody has cardboard. Everybody. Look at any sidewalk, every person has a big piece of cardboard they can write on. Everybody is willing to work, it says so on the cardboard that everybody can get now.”
Dude just wiped billions of the economy, and he still thinks he’s going to be alive next year. Honestly, Russia got what they needed out of him. Just just a liability for them at this point
Trillions. There’s an article that hit my feed that shows that the NYSE and DJ indexes have lost 5 trillion dollars in value in the last 3 weeks.
I’m awful with the economy, dont understand it. Can you ELI5 how Trump has done that?
Basically, markets generally prefer stability and predictability. Trump is neither, which makes the market far more volatile. All the bullshit he’s been spewing the past few weeks have been a major disruption and has made many in the market uneasy.
I get that. Plus he divides the country so badly
Mostly with his completely volatile temperament, threatening WWIII, threatening tariffs and trying to ignite trade wars. He doesn’t seem to understand that he isn’t doing reality TV anymore, and the market doesn’t approve.
“value” lol.
Should I have used the word “wealth,” or would you prefer “sum of the total dollar amount?”
Chocolate rations have been increased to 20g a week.
For what it’s worth, you can’t tell people their paychecks are getting bigger when they aren’t. Biden presided over a “great economy” but wages stagnated and buying power decreased. Trump is going to Strangelove-ride this economy into a pit so deep it’ll be hard to convince people that everything is roses.
Yet this is all so politically driven.
For example, there were many minimum wage hikes during Biden’s term, lifting the lowest wages. At the state level. In blue states. Politicians in the states that needed this most blocked both federal increases and those for their own states. How are those politicians not the ones getting the blame?
As another example, legislation signed by Biden resulted in many additional business benefits in factories and trades. This would have created many new jobs, especially in some of the most low wage parts of the country. But not until the factories are built. And political changes where the government won’t follow through with its commitments means many of these will no longer be built. Why isn’t the administration stopping these new jobs getting the blame?
A huge difference between the left and the right is that the left respects the citizens and gives them the benefit of the doubt on how much they understand and consider. The right doesn’t overestimate them and accurately reckons and takes full advantage of their reactive, unanalytical character.
It’ll work for a while on some people, but yeah, eventually it’ll come crashing all down, especially if companies start using the fake figures into their future planning.
I’m pretty sure this is also why they want to annex Canada, Greenland, and Panama (maybe Mexico if they think they can get away with it). It’s the exact same strategy the Nazis used, and I’m not invoking that lightly: when their economy was absolute dogshit, the Nazis made it look WAY better by A) going to a war footing and B) invading other countries and stealing everything that wasn’t nailed down (then stealing everything else, including the nails.)
I still don’t believe it’s anything more than a distraction from more important issues, although maybe I’m naive.
I’m more worried about things like an article I just read where they disbanded a group dedicated to ensuring statistics are as accurate as possible, while also redefining how GDP is measured so they can hide the impact of government cuts on the economy
Invading Canada doesn’t seem like it can be real. Manipulating facts and newspeak to lie to the population is all too real and all too much an enabler for pretty much everything else. The first thing a tyrant needs to do is control what the populace thinks it knows
It is distraction. Russia doesn’t gain anything from getting Moscow burned to the ground. The number of U.S. citizens that want to shoot Canadian citizens is low. And the only way that 31 countries (NATO) don’t attack the U.S. in defense of Canada is if they think Russia is a big enough threat to keep them from coming. Ukraine has proved Russia is not. Russia would lose all the ground gained in Ukraine soon as Poland and Germany started air raids on Russia. Poland would have no issue burning Moscow to the ground without ever setting boots in Russia. There is no benefits to any of it. The only benefit is to Trump where he would be able to seize war time powers. In the mean time more than half of America would be livid with the U.S. government getting us sucked into WW3 and be trying to not only oust the current government but actively sabotaging factories making drones or any wartime gear. 2/3s of this country would likely WANT us to lose the war so we could fix our government and get back to relative peace. Shit, NYC itself would likely blow up the Statue of Liberty.
Nothing good would come from WW3, and that’s what it would bring.
TBF Trump did exactly this in his first term when he changed the withholding to make people think their taxes went down, when in reality they ended up paying the same or more when they filed.
Very true, but that only works on a small scale for a specific thing. This economy is about to crush almost all of us. There will be no denying it.
There will be no denying it.
LOL… Challenge accepted (says the Trump supporters).
And that’s why trickle down is always a scam.
People are still gonna notice that they can’t afford groceries.
Are they though? “Idiot Biden, sleepy Joe as they say, left us a terrible economy, terrible, this is the worst economy we’ve ever seen. Poor America. But I have very bright minds, the smartest minds, hard at work on it. To fix the economy, we’re gonna make it all better.”
trumpers can blame biden all they want. You can’t deny an empty belly, and if the president is saying everything is great while the evidence to the contrary is literally visceral, that’s not gonna work for long. Just look at how well doing that exact thing worked out for biden and harris.
I suspect that trump will try it anyway and once it fails, he’ll pick the next entry on the “then they came for” list and start blaming them.
But want the economy doing good under Biden? Sure you had inflation but at a much lower scale then most of the world. I don’t get why you think it was bad? Or am I missing something.
Most people are too stupid to realize that the economy is like a massive cargo ship, it was on a course set by Trump when Biden got elected, and it took nearly 4 years for Biden to change course. Now that’s just the first step. You have to then wait for the ship to get out of the storm and reach it’s destination, which is where the disconnect lays. We’re all still seeing the storm and feeling the rain, and the ship bobbing in huge waves, and Biden was telling us that everything was getting better. He wasn’t wrong People just don’t realize how long it takes to get out of the storm even after the course has been corrected.
Date Rape Donny on the other hand is steering us straight into the storm, while telling us it doesn’t exist
For changes in the economy like those, you really need a two term president: one term to lay the groundwork and the second to “stay the course” to reap the benefits.
This is also where Harris’ response of not wanting to change anything is the best choice. She would have seen the benefits and received credit for Biden’s groundwork.
Its difficult to get this across, especially since so many voters don’t have the respective or patience to look beyond immediate needs
I am so refreshed being here. I hate Trump. But bidens magical economy was not reality, myself and many of my circle all in very high demand sectors spent longer unemployed than any other time in history. People were hungry and unable to pay bills. Who was benefitting from his economy? Only the ultra wealthy. I just don’t see it. And I feel gaslit when people say bidens economy was so good. Trumps is worse of course but we haven’t even reached a minimum.
Record unemployment though! *huge percent of which were part-time jobs that did not pay a living wage
Depends on how you define the economy. The economy won’t be good in the eyes of the average person until there has been a huge redistribution of wealth back to lower classes.
And that won’t happen under an oligarchy, because Trickle Down economics is a lie.
“You’re not suffering! There are other places that have it worse!” is messaging bereft of empathy.
Better messaging would be to admit the economy sucks, making no excuses but without unnecessarily accepting blame, and put forth a vision forward. Denying the obvious is just an admission of not being up to the task.
The economy was doing well, but as we see in these comments that it’s tough to communicate things like
- inflation is back near normal: all the increases since Covid suck, but prices shouldn’t increase that fast anymore
- businesses and stock market doing well, even though we’re not republicans
- working hard to contain avian flu, even if it means eggs will be expensive for a few years
- huge investments in bringing manufacturing back to the US. Factories being built. So many new jobs … in a few years
- huge investments to bring back new technology leadership we threw away. Factories and labs being built. So many new jobs … in a few years
- finally making good progress limiting carbon emissions. Avoid the worst parts of climate change
- huge investments in rebuilding ancient falling apart infrastructure, we can’t keep putting it off … even if it likely wouldn’t actually fail in our term
- great international cooperation toward peace and security
- saving literally millions of lives of the poorest humans, saving untold misery, devastation from disease, starvation, abject poverty
- improving health care coverage for millions of Americans
- first steps toward getting excessive educational inflation under control.
- first steps toward rebuilding a network of intercity rail connecting us all
- and many more
Yet this is already a wall of text many would ignore
I’m pretty sure you were not necessarily quoting him directly, but I would point out that he and his apparatchiks have literally said such things, including how Biden’s economy, which was by objective measurements (yeah, I know they are imperfect) the "envy of the world, was AXETUALLY the “worst” economy ever.
Which is just such ridiculous nonsense. Meanwhile, donvict takes actions that have consequences, one of which is crashing the economy and they expect us to sit there and believe such nonsense? I know a lot of idiots won’t even bother to look it up, even if it’s just a graph of the S&P, but holy shit, that is some next-level, Orwellian-type brazen lying.
The problem with the Biden economy was that the conventional economic measures were good, but groceries still went up. Effectively, this already didn’t work for Biden, even though Biden technically wasn’t lying.
It became evident how out of touch biden and then later harris were.
EDIT: extraneous “how”
They convinced enough people that crime was rampant because of illegals when crime was down and immigrants (illegal or legal) are less likely to commit crimes.
Trump doesnt need to manipulate much. I live in deep red country. They are upset that fox has “completely changed” and they want to go to newsmax instead.
They are soooo fucking close to getting it. But the propaganda seed has already been planted.
That actually sounds like they’re not getting it at all.
That is not the insight you think it is. Newsmax is the successor to Fox. What you’re saying is they want to bury their heads even deeper into the fascist propaganda machine.
Seth Meyers:
Newsmax, if you’re not familiar, is if Fox News had a crazy uncle.
You can fool some people sometime, but you can’t fool all the people all the time
Not surprisingly, he is a narcissist. https://youtu.be/cmTeg0B9tH8
I honestly think he’s a psychopath. He’s hugely narcissistic, impulsive, highly manipulative and believes whatever suits him in that moment
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Apparently you don’t read articles, and didn’t realize this is an opinion piece. Also:
What we uncovered shocked us. The bottom line is that, for 20 years or more, including the months prior to the election, voter perception was more reflective of reality than the incumbent statistics.
He’s saying there are more realistic numbers to be had when considering economic data and how voters experience the economy in everyday life.
It has nothing to do with Biden or Harris, don’t come in here with your particularly dumb takes on “WaT ReElly meEnZ”.
I mean, it’s pretty easy for @sleepyleaf@sh.itjust.works to cherrypick things from a story, as most do when trying to make a point. Thanks for the impetus to actually read that article.
My favorite part of the article happens to be about unemployment numbers. The government might say that the unemployment rate is 4.1%, but…
If you filter the statistic to include as unemployed people who can’t find anything but part-time work or who make a poverty wage (roughly $25,000), the percentage is actually 23.7 percent. In other words, nearly one of every four workers is functionally unemployed in America today — hardly something to celebrate.
Every administration, for a century at least, is guilty of using rose-colored glasses to look at numbers and present whatever they think will allow them to hold on to power.
Looking at your daily life and the circumstances of your neighbors has therefore been a more valuable metric than any devised by politicians to make themselves look good.
Thanks for your comment!
Using the framed context of an opinion piece is not “cherry picking”. It’s the motivating topic of the entire contents of the piece.
I also think you accidentally responded with your new fakealt account instead of the one with the original comment before thanking me.
Oopsie
I wasn’t accusing YOU of cherrypicking, but the person you were replying to. I’ll edit that comment now.
Apologies. Wasn’t clear.
Genocide Joe told us the economy was doing awesome too.
The pseudo-science of “economics” is a fundamental tool of capitalist control. The subjective measurements of politicians are worthless. Why the fuck do I care about the “gross domestic product” when it’s literally destroying the planet, we’re all being paid shit, and I live in a concentration camp for opposing genocide?
It’s convenient that you let everyone know that you’re unserious in the first two words of your comment.
/facepalm
I commented before I read all the comments, and was predicting this bothsiderist take, lol…I didn’t actually think there was already one. :)
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Is this going to be different from the gaslighting that we’ve been receiving for the last four years that things are good? So far, one of the few things good to come out of the Trump administration is liberals finally admitting that the economy sucks, But they tend to think it started just a month ago.
- “I can’t afford groceries and rent right now”
Democrats in 2024: “That’s fine, the economy is great! Stocks are up!”
- “I can’t afford groceries and rent right now.”
Republicans in 2025: “That’s fine, the economy is great! Stocks are [redacted]”
If you asked the libs here 4 months ago about their paychecks they’d be honest and now they just lie to themselves. The economy is basically the same for everyone now, not just the 1%, but now it’s suddenly the worst thing ever because of eggs, or something.
Wanna bet if we ever get a Dem in office again they won’t arrest these fuckers?
I said since Biden got into office that the entire January 6th was a dog and pony show. And that Democrats would never charge one of their own which includes people like Trump. And 4 years later I was proven right.
Every 4 years I’ve been proven right.
NOT LIKE TRUMP = LIBERAL I AM SMART POLITIC MAN MY TEAM BEST TEAM
OP is a Pakled.
But want the economy good? I mean I think Americans have faired better then most other countries. When shit is happening globally sure your going to be effected but compare to others.
Yes, the economy has been good by the most common statistics, and by direct experience of many of us.
However our increasing divisiveness also means too much of the population sees the opposite, or too many people are manipulated by outrage and emotion rather than fact. It’s hard not to call this politics, but it sure seems directly related to politics of each state.
I think the real issue is that quality of life in the US has been being chipped away at for decades. So while yes the economy was doing well, especially compared to most of the world, regular people don’t see it.
The issue in the US isn’t the economys health, but how it’s distributed.
The economy has not been good. Regardless who the lie is coming from.
The distribution of wealth has not been good, the economy has been fine.
