Looks like KBin has an edge over Lemmy now in terms of monthly active users.
It’s obviously a pretty silly thing, and is not in any way indicative of which project is “better” or more “long-term viable” or anything — instances of both federate with one another, and with the rest of fedi, so it’s all one happy family.
That said, it’s notable. KBin is a relative newcomer to the “Reddit-like fedi instance” game, and also does not have the tankie baggage.
Anyway, the more, the merrier!
KBin: https://the-federation.info/platform/184
Lemmy: https://the-federation.info/platform/73
Discussion on fedi: https://mstdn.social/@rysiek/110527049024028986
Sorry guys, kbin is built on PHP.
So even if it did succeed, it won’t be for long.
Let’s not hate on tools. Php has its uses and has been proven to be useful in commercial applications. So has Rust. They are different but the choice of programming language means nothing for the core project.
Fair, but for me, both Rust and Php mean I won’t be customizing or contributing much to the project.
The repo’s contributor archetype will change based on the language too. What language would you be comfortable in contributing with?
Me? I’m always at home in Python. It’s like a warm cozy blanket of productivity and joy.
I, too, can use a banana to hammer in a nail
hahah, this made me laugh. I will be stealing this from you.
To be a bit more verbose, I don’t think all programming languages are created equal, and its a disservice to pretend it is.
Duck Duck Go was written in Perl. GitHub (originally) in Ruby on Rails.
Languages are tools only because they’re general purpose programming languages. The real path to success is in choosing a tool that you’re good at using (no matter how blunt), rather than pretending all tools are equal.
Sure but dissing on languages you don’t like will only make devs who like those languages defensive. Not every dev is good only at languages you’re good at.
Modern PHP is supposed to be a decent language these days rather than a collection of footguns so I wouldn’t write it off out of hand. It wouldn’t be my first choice of language but it still runs huge swathes of the web, interesting choice for a greenfield project though. What it will mean is it’ll be harder for Kbin to attract developers on a voluntary basis I think, if I’m giving my time for free I’d personally much rather spend it writing Rust than PHP even if PHP is decent these days.
Are there any sites in the Fediverse written in .net? I’d like to contribute to these sites, but I haven’t touched PHP in over a decade.
I know this is a joke, but not only is KBin built on PHP, but so are Facebook, Pornhub, and Wikipedia.
Well if Pornhub is built in it, then I am down with it (quite obvious/jk)
I’m sure there’s some php still around at Facebook, but I doubt any new php projects have been started in 10+ years at any of those organizations.
You’d be surprised. Modern PHP with Laravel can actually be quite nice to work with.
I’m sure it is, and I hear good things about Laravel, but you’re still working under some really bad decisions made in the past. That’s always the problem with great frameworks on bad languages: the frameworks are great, but you can’t escape the past.
I’d point you to r/lolphp, but well, you know.
.wtf?! I just frowned at my monitor
There’s more where that came from.
Urgh… php.
Rust or die…
Is php as bad as it wad previously?
No. It’s not perfect by any means but it’s leaps and bounds ahead of where it was.
Quite the opposite. A poor technology choice is a lasting technology choice.
Yeah, I generally prefer kbin’s UI over lemmy’s but given the backend is in PHP I have concerns that it might not be able to scale effectively with its growth.
Not saying that PHP is a complete showstopper but there are valid concerns in terms of maintainability…
Can you explain this in simple terms for simple minds like mine? And I only ask for other people like me who may wonder but not ask
A lot of people seem to be talking about whether PHP has enough developer support, but that isn’t the main issue.
The issue is that code written in PHP is probably at least 10 times less efficient in terms of CPU and memory than the equivalent code written in Rust.
This means that loads of hobbyist developers will be able to run lemmy instances for a fraction of the ongoing cost of kbin.
And the main issue Reddit and a migration has is server costs. So, it could be running into a face plant.
Lemmy.World instance has a new dedicated host with EPYC 7502P around €200-€300 a month with 15k users aboard. If PHP is even x2 as inefient that’s absolutely insane. Those prices may be off but even so, shits going to cost and we all need to participate.
There is a “rumor”/“running joke” in programming community that PHP application is hard to maintain.
Primarily, because it is originally designed to whip up a website in a quick and dirty way, hence the original name “personal homepage”.
Where as rust (which is what Lemmy is built upon) is a much more modern language with more safe guard in place to help scaling the application.
Obviously, like many people pointed out there are many larger project is built by PHP. However, many larger companies have the resources build significant extension to PHP to make it more usable, like Facebook’s hhvm and hack language are both tools that revolve around PHP. This is a luxury not enjoyed by smaller projects like kbin, Lemmy, even mastodon.
My personal opinion is that PHP is not a great language, but language is just a tool; it is mostly up to the programmer to write maintainable program in a language. For example, python is probably one of the less principled language out there (for example, it’s variable scoping is very confusing); yet if the programmer programs in a manner to avoid these disadvantages, they can still build fast and maintainable project with it.
Cool, thanks! I only have experience with JavaScript and Python, and I personally prefer JS because Python has been confusing to me. But, I have heard Python is more efficient and easier in the long-term.
After ‘mastering’ JS to a sufficient ability I will put my efforts towards Python. I am stumped as to why I feel JS is easier than Python when I have also heard the opposite; that python is easier than JS
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Ahm, no ;)
Both JS and Python are neither efficient nor easier in the long-term. They are both languages that were primarily built to make quick-and-dirty small and simple programs/scripts.
Both are really slow and inefficient (though Python is much slower than JS nowadays). Both are dynamic languages which opens then up for all sorts of dirty hacks and are pretty negative for maintainability.
Because of that, both languages have unofficial typing support (Typescript and Mypy) to make programs in these languages somewhat maintainable.
If you are looking for performance, the first tier is natively compiling languages like C/C++/Rust/Go. The second tier are languages that compile to bytecode and run on heavily optimized runtime environments like anything running on the JVM or C# or therelike. And the worst tier are super dynamic languages like JS or Python.
In terms of what’s easiest, it really depends on what you’re doing to be honest. Like, if you’re a data scientist, you want to learn Python. If you’re a web developer, you want to learn JavaScript - I believe that Wasm is the future of the web, but we’re going to have traditional HTML/JavaScript for decades to come.
Oh, I didn’t know this, I appreciate the insight. I have been working with typescript a bit, but sidestepped back to JS for a small project because of familiarity. My next project may be typescript just to get a feel for it.
I have heard a lot of buzz about rust, but I haven’t looked it up because I don’t want to overwhelm myself with new things. But it does seem very popular. And I doubt there’s anyone, even people unfamiliar with code, who hasn’t heard of the C family!
I’m not giving up JS, since it is so popular for web development, but it does make me sad that it’s so inefficient for other tasks in comparison to the other languages. Butz it also makes me kind of excited to get into some of the meatier stuff
If history has taught me anything - I would say that means that kbin will persist forever.
I mean, almost half of all the websites on the internet is built on WordPress, so maybe you’re onto something here…
I think people get way too caught up on technical optimisation issues with a language.
The reason a language, programming or otherwise, catches on is ultimately based on how many people use the language. So the lower the barrier to entry, they more people who will use it. PHP has a pretty low barrier to entry to creating a website (however simple/bad) and it has a lot of cultural momentum. I don’t see PHP going away anytime soon.
Yeah ‘built in $language’ literally only matters from the point of view of attracting volunteer devs, end users couldn’t care less as long as the platform works. Lemmy and Kbin could be written in Malbolge for all they cared as long as it loads properly and doesn’t annoy them.
While I wouldn’t start a new PHP project myself as it’s yet another language to juggle and not one I’m particularly interested in it’s a perfectly legitimate choice even in 2023.
Hmm, interesting. I just spent some time getting a Lemmy instance set up – maybe I should’ve gone for kbin instead?
I don’t think you need to worry about it. It’s up to a given community whether or not that baggage affects it or not, I think. Building communities that are very explicitly not tankie is a great way of helping overcome that baggage for the whole project.
Yeah, I didn’t even investigate kpub very much though. And Lemmy is a lot of lock-in; obviously once you’re on it, you’re on it.
I guess it is the more robust project so I shouldn’t be too concerned. Will definitely keep an eye on kbin though.
Sounds about right. And there is always a possibility of someone creating a migration tool.
Brand new to fediverse and this is the second comment I’ve seen saying lemmy has tankie issues. Is this a term specific to fediverse or is it referring to the category of communists that are called tankies? If the second, I didn’t realize tankies were big here
I see you’ve joined the beehaw.org instance which doesn’t federate with lemmygrad.ml which is the main source of tankie views.
Thank you for solving a mystery I’ve had since I heard of Lemmy! I kept hearing about a supposed tankie problem, but never saw anything about it. Now I’m even more thankful about choosing Beehaw; I have leftist leanings, but tankies definitely rub me the wrong way.
Good to know! I have been trying to figure out what was and is going on here.
Interesting, thanks. I guess I lucked out on which instance I joined lol. Is there a way to see what instances federate with which instances?
There’s this website but it’s not mobile friendly https://lemmymap.feddit.de/
Scroll to the bottom of your page and click the Instances link. For you it should be
https://beehaw.org/instances.
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Until recently I think lemmygrad was the most active instance and it’s full of communists, including obnoxious tankies who scared off new users and contributed the reputation.
How do you build a community that’s explicitly not tankie without being just as insufferable?
When we started ours, we wanted a place to discuss technology and whatever else. We didn’t say “no politics” but we made an early decision to not be a primarily political instance. We don’t to define our instance by what it isn’t, in other words.
How do you build a community that’s explicitly not tankie without being just as insufferable?
By being aware that there will be things you might not want to tolerate in your community and reacting to them when they show up. Communities differ. Their values differ. And that’s okay.
That’s true of any online forum, site, community, etc.
But it doesn’t exactly broadcast that we’re explicitly anything.
But you don’t have to broadcast anything if you don’t want to — maybe with the exception of things like “racism, sexism, queerphobia, transphobia, and bigotry are not welcome”, to make sure people who need that kind of safety can see that they can at least expect some basic moderation. 😉
Fair enough. I guess when you said,
Building communities that are very explicitly not tankie is a great way of helping overcome that baggage for the whole project.
I sort of thought to myself, “how do you make a community explicitly non-tankie without making it also a political instance?”
We actually decided against listing inappropriate behaviors and instead distilled it down to just one simple rule: if you couldn’t get away with saying it at a bar, you can’t say it on our instance. If you went on a public, bigoted rant at a bar, you’d get kicked out (maybe with a warning, probably not). Same applies here.
And a bar doesn’t need to post that as a rule; everyone should already know it.
i think you can engage and interact across both so it may not matter as much.
That mstdn.social and the whole “lemmy = tankie” (whatever the fuck that means) is doing a disservice to the whole unreddit movement. I have seen plenty of discussion on reddit now of people not leaving because of these posts…
I did not say “lemmy = tankie”, I said Lemmy has certain tankie baggage, and that is in fact true. The developers are pretty clearly tankies, they also run a strictly tankie instance (Lemmygrad; many Lemmy instances do not federate with it).
Pretending this is not the case is not going to help in the long run. It might slow down the “unreddit” movement now, but I’d wager a bet it will make it more long-term viable and resilient, if people understand that choice of instance is important (there are quite a few great Lemmy instances that I would recommend wholeheartidly, like BeeHaw), and that there are alternative, independent implementations on Threadiverse (like Kbin).
Can you provide a source to your claim that lemmygrad is ran by Nutomic or Dessalines?
It used to be deployed on the same IP address as lemmy.ml. I don’t have the receipts. Take it or leave it.
Edit 2: another person expressing concerns (with receipts) about moderation policy on lemmy.ml
I will choose to leave it. Thank you.
No prob.
What I don’t get is, I don’t see how that’s a reason to be concerned about Lemmy when the whole point is that there’s no central control over instances, which literally anyone can spin up, and instances can communicate / ban each other as they please. It’s impossible for the politics of the creators to have any real effect on the software.
Technically speaking, you are completely right. The problem is that the negative association rubs off on the project regardless of the factual context. Ultimately, it doesn’t matter whether the political views of the developers influence the political direction of the software. The association that sticks is: Lemmy is the one with the Stalinist developer.
Exactly.
It’s analogous to the way that Reddit knowingly allowing some subs to exist repelled some users.
Most were able to get past it and simply not subscribe to subs they found objectionable, but I’m sure many people just stayed away once they learned that certain subs existed and were very much known about by Reddit admins.
One key difference here is the way that your instance is able to enforce rules and to some extent influence and filter your user experience, and that’s worth consideration too.
I’m also curious if and how an instance like lemmy.ml can, for example, delete comments, ban users, take down content in cases of cross-instance interaction. Could the admins of lemmy.ml, for example, ban a user from another instance from Lemmy completely? From their local communities? Could they remove that person’s comments? Can they prevent their own users from seeing content they don’t like on other instances? Can they moderate content from their users that is posted to communities on other instances?
It’s analogous to the way that Reddit knowingly allowing some subs to exist repelled some users.
Let’s be absolutely clear about that:
For years (2008-2011), Reddit hosted forums for pedophiles to share “legal” pictures of young girls for other pedophiles’ erotic entertainment; e.g. upskirt photos showing children’s underwear.
For years, Reddit hosted forums for misogynistic men to encourage one another to perpetrate violence against women; for racists to promote and plan violence against black people; etc.
I do indeed use a Lemmy instance that is not aligned with tankie politics. That being said, I am also acutely aware that technology is political and developers of a given piece of software make decisions based on their personal politics, sometimes even without knowing it. So it is important, I feel, to be aware of that.
I can understand where mstdn.social is coming from and it is an “uneasy” situation. But the fact is that you have a choice here in which with whom you communicate.
The irony though of Reddit discussing to stay on Reddit and actually comply with the Autocratic leadership it has.
I really like Kbin’s microblog feature. Basically able to “tweet” in a community without making a whole post
This is great. It suddenly feels like the internet of 2003 again, with small communities popping up, competition and less of a corporate chokehold. Only this time they have a shared login and crosstalk, which was sorely lacking back then. If we are lucky this event might establish a stable, new part of the internet, which is separate from the consolidated platforms. The Fediverse doesn’t have to replace sites like reddit, just be a next step for people fed up with the corporate net (corponet?).
This is actually more like a return to the 90s of Usenet and mailing lists imho.
Maybe its just Nostalgia, but ill take that. Where you actually go to a place that has something to do with what your looking for, rather then a giant, centralized site where random people pop in, talk crap, and pop out.
Yeah, I’ve been thinking all day that’s it is like Usenet 2.0 in a way. Back when Usenet actually had enthusiast conversation happening on it.
Any ideas what are the pros and cons of each option?
Lemmy is written in Rust, has been around for a while, and there are a bunch of established communities on established Lemmy instances already.
KBin is sadly PHP, relative newcomer, arguably better interface, and no baggage.
That’s all I got myself. Hope others will chip in.
Why is php a bad thing in this case? It seems like exactly the kind of application that php is well suited for. Plus there’s the maturity of php’s major frameworks. While I’m not saying Rust is necessarily bad for building web applications, it’s web frameworks must be less mature and battle tested. Plus, it seems like a lower bar to get community dev contributions for a php project than rust.
Well, to me Rust suggests that a given software project might be somewhat more performant, and somewhat more secure — but it all also depends on the developers, of course.
Well, that kind of sounds like the normal rust propaganda, don’t get me wrong, I do think the language is decent, it’s just tiring to see so many people just buying into and parroting some weird claims like “it’s rust, so it’s secure”
I like rust a lot, but it’s definitely in the place Go was a few years ago, where people just assume “written in rust” = good for some reason.
Exactly :) That’s what I mean as well, sure there are great things written in rust, but they are great because they are great, not because they are written in rust :)
I mean the reason people believe that is because it’s a very explicit language. It knows what’s in its memory at all times, and so at the lower layers it’s more secure by nature.
As opposed to php, you’re less likely to introduce a vulnerability by being sloppy with data sanitation - the language demands you tell it exactly the data structures you want it to put into memory. For that reason, the language is more secure - the parse json function is going to be less likely to be able to run rogue code maliciously embedded inside it than php, and if it does manage to do so, it’s easier to write php to blindly open a hole in the system from inside an interpreter than it is to break out of or hijack the runtime.
Obviously that doesn’t make it secure. It just means that all else being equal, rust is less vulnerable to a sloppy mistake at any given layer in the stack. Doesn’t mean you can’t make a logical mistake and open up a glaring security hole
And obviously you can write bulletproof php code, but every layer of the stack needs to be just as bulletproof. Including the interpreter and all your libraries - which historically were very much not bulletproof (it’s definitely much more strict than it used to be, and I think I heard fb tried compilation and I’m not sure if that’s become a thing, but it’s generally is more secure than interpretation for similar reasons)
All that being said, humans are just dumb and sloppy. We write shit code, and we try to minimize the surface area for mistakes. Rust has a much smaller surface area than php
I’m very much aware of that, I have programmed stuff in rust as well, but claiming that it’s secure and “better” because it’s rust is just pr, believe me, I can write some really sihtty rust code.
I’m no evangelist for PHP, but I say use the tool that you know, when I make a new program I’m going to do it in nim, because it’s the langauge that I have the most fun working with. It has mostly the same pros as rust, just with a lot nicer syntax and it’s generally more flexible.
No shade on people liking rust, but this constant parroting of the same point by people who probably never even used the langauge is getting kind of old.
I can’t speak for everyone, but I personally do not want to work with PHP ever again. I’m sure it’s gotten better, but when I last used it (>15 years ago), the standard library was super inconsistent and performance was pretty terrible. It left a bad taste in my mouth, and I now prefer client-side rendering.
But aside from my personal dislike for PHP, here is why I prefer client-side rendering:
- easier to have a solid caching strategy - means faster initial page load on mobile/slow connections
- performance issues are usually limited to database access
- you get the API for free for third party apps
- can separate frontend concerns from backend concerns, so it makes development a little easier to split into teams with different skill sets
That said, for a federated system, it doesn’t really matter that much since people can just increase the number of instances to help share the load. I just personally am not interested in helping with kbin, but I would be totally on board with helping with Lemmy.
That said, for a federated system, it doesn’t really matter that much since people can just increase the number of instances to help share the load.
This is only partially true. There is a finite number of people willing to run an instance, and increasing the costs associated with a given size of instance means that we need more of them, or that they may not find it worth the time to pay $X per month for hosting when it only fits so many people.
Federation is a beautiful thing, but we have some economic issues we have to reckon with.
Yeah, it shows you haven’t used php in a while. Most of the gripes people have with it have been fixed over the years, and every framework encourages you to build an API-first app these days.
Here’s a post discussing that: https://feddit.de/post/781919
I think it mainly comes down to the project landing page being more friendly and the UI being more polished.
The landing page of join-lemmy.org doesn’t show what the website looks like. The only screenshots are of code and github. That section is geared towards potential instance administrators, not potential users.
A couple times a day when I go to kbin they Cloudflare me…kinda irritating. beehaw or Squabbles are down with a VPN dropping by, apparently. Or whatever’s at work here.
Also kbin required an email address to sign up but lemmy did not.
The lack of app for KBin kills it for me.
I have a account with KBin and I may use it as well if there’s an app
Yeah an official app would be great.
Even a fork of Jerboa or something could be a start!
Huh i thought jabora would be able to log into it
On Android, you can add it to your home screen and it functions kind of like an app… it could definitely benefit from a native app, though.
Nobody is going to fly with mobile browser these days. It’s App or die in this regard.
The biggest social media sites have apps. It’s suicide. Heck, the reason these sites are having the mass infux is because Reddits app sucks. If it was amazing nobody would of really cared and the spez drama wouldn’t have happened.
Just my 2c.
/cries in iOS
God, what I would give for Apollo to rip the Reddit API guts out and refit with Lemmy’s. He open sourced it so I’m sure someone will.
Didn’t he open source the server backend? Not the app
Server backend stuff was to contradict the Reddit CEOs claims about Apollo being inefficient on the API.
Not sure honestly.
Would be hilarious if all the third party reddit clients updated at the same time to connect to a completely new board.
But kbin looks fine in browser on iOS? Actually, I’m really happy I don’t have to download another app to use it.
You can do the whole ‘add to home screen’ and it sort of functions like an app in iOS.
Checkout Hermit on Android. It’s an app that turns web applications into standalone apps with a bunch of great features like adblocking, scripting, frameless mode etc. I use it for Beehaw as well.
Just note that kbin.social currently has Cloudflare DDoS protection enabled which is breaking federation. Until this is removed, the communities are seperate.
I’ve got my lemmy instance proxied through cloudflare. It can work if you make it work. It does take a page rule to get around some of the bot detection nonsense.
It may be worth passing that rule/config over to @Ernest@kbin.social
The captcha bot detector thing seems to be making it wonkier.
There are other instances, like https://fedia.io/ for example.
Thanks, I just made a test post and could not figure out why they were not in sync.
Good to know, I was wondering why I couldn’t see any kbin stuff here
I don’t expect a huge difference to be honest.
It still has the same issues as Lemmy. Here I just pressed save on my settings.
I am on both and kbin seems less active.
Perhaps the numbers are counted different?
lemmy might be counting people who have posted this month and kbin might be counting anyone who has visited the site.
Big respect to all the devs for handling this growth so well.
yea, kbin is definitely less active
lemmy might be counting people who have posted this month and kbin might be counting anyone who has cisited the site.
The data is from The-Federation.info, and the idea is that the metric is about users whose accounts were active over the last month. I think “active” in both cases means “has logged in recently”.
Big respect to all the devs for handling this growth so well.
Absolutely. Sending all the hugs and good vibes, the Big Wave has not even started yet, I think.
Looking at my own very small instance, Lemmy doesn’t seem to consider “logged in” as active. I currently have 8 users online and 3 users/month.
What’s kbin?
A different instance software for Reddit-like discussions. It federates with Lemmy instances, so it’s all a nice single network.
Does that mean when I browse Lemmy I see kbin content by default? Do I need to add it somehow? I’m using Jerboa on Android.
You can join communities on KBin instances, you can post to them and comment on posts in them, and KBin users can join communities on Lemmy instances and post to them, and comment on such posts.
So, “yes”, but you might have to subscribe to a given community first.
I haven’t been able to view kbin.social magazines from Lemmy.
kbin.social is kinda sorta not dealing well with the sudden traffic.
Try: https://fedia.io/
I have the same username setup on sh.itjust.works and kbin. I’m trying to understand if it’s just one account or two. Bit confusing.
Two accounts I believe. It’s like having a gmail and hotmail account with the same name before the @
If you had the same username on GMail and Hotmail, would it be the same account, or two?..
Got it. Thanks!
Thanks! I look forward to one day understanding all of those words that you wrote.
Not sure, but it looks similar to lemmy. It’s “federated”? I wonder if we can see kbin links through our lemmy server? Just trying to figure this all out…
My understanding is that people on kbin can interact with Lemmy instances. Not sure if that goes the other way though
I am subscribed to a kbin community through lemmy. I will check. Please wait.
I saw somebody mention that kbin recently implemented cloudflare protection that breaks federation with Lemmy
Yes, but they stated that this is just temporary.
Yeah, the main instance, kbin.social, is struggling under load right now. There are other instances though, like https://fedia.io/
KBin.social turned on cloudflare recently (today?) and it broke their federation crossconnects
Yes, you are right. It looks like they stated that this is only temporary.
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“Tankie baggage?”
Lemmy devs are tankies.
It’s funny seeing a communist use the word tankie unironically
It’s not weird for ancoms to say it, we say it all the time.
I mean, there are very different flavors of communist, so it kind of makes sense. You can believe in communal ownership of all non-personal property without supporting the violent oppression of dissent.
I keep hearing similar things, but not a single person has linked to a comment or anything the devs have actually said.
Where can I read about this? I want to see what they said.
I suspect both the tankie, extreme right and left wing content is being suppressed by the slew of new content being posted now. And that shit not getting the votes it needs to be seen anymore.
I don’t see much proof there outside of some “this definitely happened” type thing. Not that I don’t believe them but that’s not the strongest proof.
the devs don’t even deny it, they’ve posted to reddit, but that’s gone now.
Heh, I just used another instance throught doubt just in case. They’re overloaded anyway. Code doesn’t have a political opinion (well, licences might), and other instances don’t show signs of what the commi instance is being accused off as far as I can tell
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To me that looks like a fairly non-controversial perspective amongst leftists and communists (especially internationally). But that’s just my (communist) perspective.
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Just took a look at the stats on The-Federation.info and looks like Lemmy is doing just fine.
Lemmy Stats: 162 Nodes 90,053 Users 277,427 Posts 610,007 Comments
Kbin Stats: 7 Nodes 5,960 Users 3,992 Posts 4,844 Comments
Oh I am not saying it is not doing fine. I just found it super-interesting that a much younger project got ahead, even if perhaps only temporarily, as far as active users are concerned.
Honestly, many people are turned off by Lemmy tankies. I myself though I’d never come back to Lemmy until I found beehaw.
Honestly, many people are turned off by Lemmy tankies.
I keep hearing people commenting about that, but so far I haven’t noticed any particular tankie-ish influence.
Maybe I’m just not choosing the communities where they hang out?
Lemmy.ca blocks lemmygrad just like Beehaw so you can’t see anything from the biggest tankie community on Lemmy.
You can see this here https://lemmy.ca/instances
So for those of us that do t have any association or federation with the “tankie lemmy”, there shouldn’t be any taint, right?
The problem is lemmy.ml From what I get, a lot of the old guard (before the Reddit exodus) are tankies. That includes the admins and mods. And Lemmy.ml was or still is the biggest instance because new people automatically choose the server of the Lemmy devs (Because many people don’t understand the concept of federation).
Would kbin’s current non-federation because of cloudflare stuff be stopping the-federation.info from accessing more recent stats?
I believe there was a post by a Kbin hoster that they had to set up a specifc rule in Cloudflare to get around the issue. Although AFAIK I would assume that Cloudflare could definitely be causing some issues for some instances which may not be set up correctly to get around the issue, which in turn could lead to the issue your suggesting. But then again don’t quote me on any of this I’m not a dev for any of the projects, and I’m basing this on my own projects where getting around Cloudflare to scrap data is a complete pain and sometimes more work then it’s worth.
I just noticed the same thing. I do not see a stat that shows kbin is overtaking lemmy.
