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I have yet to read anything that helps me understand why Israel, based on the premise of “freeing the hostages”, decided to carpet bomb the actual areas the hostages would be held in. I mean it makes zero sense to spend months doing that, and then publically announce every time they find hostages’ bodies … like it’s some kind of accomplishment. It’s not. It is a massive fucking failure but nobody seems to be calling Israel out on that failure.
It’s as if they never really cared about the hostages but just use them as a bargaining chip to continue their war on palestinians.
Those hostages? Believe it or not: Hamas.
How many people did they kill this time, in order to recover dead bodies?
Last time, they killed 120-somehing Palestinian civilians to save 2 Israeli hostages and the time before that, they killed over 100 to retrieve dead bodies.
Why where the hostages surrounded by 120 civilians? At what point is a civilian not a civilian anymore? If he has hostages at home? Were there any non-civilians?
Why where the hostages surrounded by 120 civilians
Because Gaza is one of the densest urban areas in the world. When you level an apartment complex, you’re GOING to kill innocent people. Especially if you, like the Israeli government, consider all Palestinians Hamas and therefore do nothing to limit civilian casualties.
“Why do you make us do this! Oh woe to me, there is no other way to get these hostages other than to bomb a populated area. What else am I to do? pushes button How terrible that you made me do that! …now, I wonder how soon we can get some settlers over here.”
Because Gaza is the most densely packet place on earth. You can literally run the langth of Gaza in an afternoon and the width of it in a lunch break. Not excusing anything Hamas did/does but where are the civilians to fucking go?
Hey I have an idea. How about all hostages get freed so civilian lives aren’t imperilled.
Do you mean including the Palestinians held hostage in Israeli military prisons being physically, psychologically, and sexually tortured after being “arrested” on false or no charges?
Because there’s literally hundreds of times as many of THOSE hostages than Israeli ones.
Also, you’re BEYOND gullible if I think Israel won’t continue murdering Palestinian civilians after they’ve gotten the hostages. That’s not what it’s about.
Murdering or driving away every single Gazan so they can steal more land has always been the purpose. October 7th and the hostages are just convenient excuses for them to commit the war crimes they already wanted to.
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I obviously meant from the perspective of the genocidal apartheid regime, not myself.
The October 7th attacks and hostage taking were beyond atrocious and my heart goes out to the families of the victims of both. The only reason I didn’t say so was because it goes without saying.
They’re not the REAL reason that the Israeli apartheid regime is still committing crimes against humanity on a daily basis 10 months later, though.
So we’re in agreement then. Thank you for toning it down.
I will point out that even saying doesn’t help. I said ‘all’ hostages and am still getting presumptive hate from others.
I said ‘all’ hostages and am still getting presumptive hate from others
Probably because of your own ridiculous presumption that Israel wouldn’t keep murdering Palestinians with impunity after the return of the hostages.
That’s not the presumption. The presumption is if the hostages are all released it vastly reduces Israeli excuses and support which would reduce civilian casualties to a level that at least is no longer existential.
You risk justifying genocide otherwise.
The only genocide over there is commited by Israel.
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You think Palestinian lives weren’t being threatened and taken by Israeli violence before October 7?
Clearly, that is exactly what I said and isn’t a Straw Man at all
Isreal was indiscriminately bombing and taking land before October 7th, all they are just more active now. The violence will only stop if Isreal gives back all the land and gives Palestinians full autonomy. Hamas are murderous assholes, but they weren’t created in a vacuum. In fact Hamas is directly supported and funded by the IDF so the only true victims in this conflict are the Palestinians civilians and the non zionest Israelis
This is the only thing I disagree with in your statement:
The violence will only stop if Isreal gives back all the land and gives Palestinians full autonomy
Oh with no explanation as to why you think that?
For a non-exhaustive list of the ways the violence can end see my previous comments above, or consider peace can be achieved through victory as well.
Victory? Like the extermination of all Palestinian people? Cuz that’s the only way the IDF will consider victory
That, or Hamas exterminates Israel.
The Nazis justified their attempt to exterminate the Jews by claiming that they were only defending themselves against Jewish plans to destroy Germany and its population.
The Israelis justify their attempts to exterminate the Palestinians by claiming that they were only defending hostages from harm, and rescuing them from their captors, while bombing Gaza so severely that many hostage bodies will never be recovered, and may have already been found unrecognizable and dumped in a mass graves by IDF soldiers following various civilian massacres taking place on a regular basis.
You understand this though. You just clearly seem to support it…
How about Israel to fuck off from Palestine so nobody’s life is taken away?
I wonder if this was some concession by Hamas as part of the negotiations
Israel’s military said its forces recovered the six bodies of hostages in an overnight operation in southern Gaza, saying they were killed during a time that troops were operating in Khan Younis. Hamas says some captives have been killed in Israeli airstrikes, though returning hostages have talked about difficult conditions in captivity, including lack of food or medications.
Doesn’t look like it
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