Personally, I want nothing to do with them and I’m not willing to give them the benefit of the doubt. I moved to the Fediverse to get away from all these corpos.
Judging from their past and all the bad actions they have done in the past, bad for democracy, privacy, minorities and marginalised people and how openly they have a far/extreme-right bias. Well I feel extremely negative about them joining in. They were also part of destruction of another open/federated protocol in the past: they played big part in destroying XMPP/Jabber messaging. So I am afraid they will do their usual embrace, extend, and extinguish thing and their surveillance capitalist thing and yeah. no good. Best to block their instances outright.
Yeah, I was thinking of Jabber as well, when I heard this. For a brief period everything was perfect. Facebook and Google were both using Jabber. And even WhatsApp was using it, I think. So if you had an account somewhere you could actually chat with all your friends, totally unimpeded.
EU should hurry up with their federation laws.
you can still use XMPP. i use it, my family uses it.
hate facebook all you want (i certainly do) but dont act like normies would be living in a federated utopia without them. theyd be on whatever is closed source with the most number of people and the most advertising dollars behind it and the simplest user experience. normies like easy, and its hard to blame them.
Yes and no. Normies use federated systems too: Websites and email.
EU should hurry up with their federation laws.
What do you mean?
Holy shit! Had no idea! Thanks, mate.
Common EU WThe EU really are the protectors of the free and open internet. Given the Republicans would kill any attempts to pass any regulations here in the States, we’re basically reliant on the EU to save us. So thanks, guys :)
I like the EU as much as the next guy, but you can’t tell the whole story without mentioning this disaster.
Apple was also federated with iChat/iMessage. I believe iMessage still to this day is XMPP based.
I was going to say, while we can’t do much about them adopting an open protocol, please defederate with them
They are free to set up an instance. Not sure who would federate with them.
Most Based answer.
Bribes
They will datamine all federated users They will set up a CDN for uploads on their platform that will track you like v.meta.com or i.meta.com.
They will probably train LLMs off the data. They will sell the data to advertisers or data brokers. They will most likely have ads or pay to boost.
They will diverge from the standard once they have the majority of users like google does with chrome and the web.
They will set up a CDN for uploads on their platform that will track you like v.meta.com or i.meta.com.
This is the only thing they couldn’t already do. They’ve probably already been datamining Fediverse users. No need to set up an instance for that.
I agree with the v.meta.com and i.meta.com. We’ll have to establish some good alternatives by then so people don’t use them just because they work so well.
Everyone is already datamining the fediverse. That’s the whole point of it, all the data is public.
For myself, I’m not a fan either. But I think it could be a very good thing for the fediverse (still not a fan of that word) — which, as I understand it, is all about choice: the ability to easily access content across the fediverse, with the ability to ignore it just as easily.
If it ends up breeding toxicity, then I’ll block any subs, and possibly the whole instance†. And if it gets really bad, I’ll just find a lemmy/mastodon/whatever instance that has defederated from them.
† Sounds like this maybe isn’t possible yet, but is being looked at https://github.com/LemmyNet/lemmy/issues/2397
I think @tchambers put it well on his Mastodon post: no need to preemptively block, but “stay vigilant with eyes wide open and a finger on the block button.”
I have to say, i don’t like it, i mean i got here, because i didn’t want to have anything to do anymore with them, but i guess if we are careful enough, they probably can’t do to much to destroy our current fediverse.
My feeling about Meta joining the Fediverse is: 🚨DANGER!🚨
Even if they were somehow not evil, the sheer volume would technologically destroy any instance that tried to federate with them.
I’ve been wondering about how that could work as a denial of service… Meta-scale would work, for sure
I guess I’ll just go back to reading books and watching movies full time.
Fuck all of those tech giants.
It’ll be near impossible for them to destroy the fediverse thankfully
You could watch Foundation on Apple+…oh…
Meta are doing WHAT‽
A federated reddit clone named threads.
Sounds like it is going to be more of a Twitter clone unless I read a shit article. It also sounds like they might not federate with mastodon or other instances to keep everyone in their meta ecosystem.
‘What a lovely Nope you have going on there.’
They see the fediverse trend gain9ng steam with the rise of Mastodon and go “Oh sheit we need to be on that for $$$”. Proceed to embrace, extend, enshittify, and extinguish. Its nothing but Zuckerberg’s gasping breaths to try and stay relevant as his company begins the very slow, but inevitable, backslide into technological irrelevance.
I will be leaving and/or blocking any instance that chooses to federate with anything related to Meta. They are antithetical to the entire foundation of the metaverse and they ruin everything they touch.
I say we just don’t allow them on most kbin/lemmy instances. Let the people decide what info is bullshit or not.
If Facebook behave and their instances have good moderation, they’ll be successful. If they don’t, they’ll get defederated and turn into some niche twitter clone echo chamber like Truth Social.
Facebook is a company with great open-source tech contributions (React, GraphQL) but absolutely awful products (Literally every social media thing they’ve got their hands on), which is why they are desperately trying to turn their side project Oculus into their main product. And I think they, as the original “The Social Network” company, see the writing on the wall: that they either embrace federation and decentralization, or get swept away by it into the footnote of social media history.
Now, I don’t think Facebook wants to JUST run an instance where they get to control everything. I think the most likely scenario is that Facebook will offer easy managed federated instance setup hosted on their own cloud servers for less tech inclined individuals and companies in the future, and they’ll rebrand it as “the actual metaverse”, which will finally end their tenure as an advertising company.
To me it sounds like they are trying to Embrace, Extend, Extinguish the fediverse. I wouldn’t doubt if at first they adopted it with all the standards then started doing proprietary crap
Is that necessary though? I feel like we should let them join. If they do something malicious, then we can block them. IMO, it doesn’t make sense to just preemptively block them for no real reason.
They’ve demontrated their evil nature in the past, promoting divisive and inciteful material and anything to drive engagement for the sake of advertiser dollars. I don’t think we need to wait for them to do it again in the Fediverse. Better to head that shit off right up front.
It is wholly necessary. They will start massive data mining operations if they join, harming users of all instances.
Data mining can happen without any of that, everything you post in the fediverse is literally available for anyone to see. Realistically, the most harm they can do is build controlled communities that grow so huge that they drown out all of the fediverse’s open communities.
Your most harm scenario is exactly what they want to do.
Yeah, it is. And I’m not saying that’s not a valid reason to resist companies in the fediverse, it totally is. I’m just saying the privacy concerns everyone is mentioning don’t really make sense, anything they could get, everyone already has
Yeah I kind of roll my eyes about it too. “Things you delete are there forever” - that’s literally how the internet has always worked. It’s like when people found out their snap chats and Instagram stories could be seen by anyone who worked at the companies…like fucking obviously, they DEVELOPED the app and host all the content?!
Look at what happened with Google Chrome and browser standards. We don’t want a company that dominates the landscape changing the rules in their favour.
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Embrace, Extend, Extinguish. Microsoft did it before, we shouldn’t let Meta do it now.
Block them or I’m gone
Users can block entire instances/domains. No need to worry if your chosen instances is doing it for you.
