The long-simmering territorial disputes in the South China Sea are expected to be discussed at a summit of leaders of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations in Melbourne.
  • @andallthat@lemmy.worldEnglish
    26•4 months ago

    Is it still “disputed” if absolutely nobody else thinks it’s Chinese? if I claim the Grand Canyon is mine, does it make it the Disputed Canyon?

    • @mosiacmango@lemm.eeEnglish
      18•4 months ago

      As long as you can park a few crewed navy ships in the middle, yes, yes it does.

      *Might makes right" is fucked and has never, ever gone out of style. We got fancy and hid it behind this thing called “money” mostly, but sometimes it still just looks like big deadly sharp things.

    • @boyiEnglish
      6•4 months ago

      if I claim the Grand Canyon is mine, does it make it the Disputed Canyon?

      Yes, you absolutely can lay claim on it - If you have power to do that. You power is the law, sad but true.

      • @GenEcon@lemm.eeEnglish
        -5•4 months ago

        Thats only Chinas and Russias stance. Unfortunately the UN has no power at all.

        • @boyiEnglish
          5•4 months ago

          If you think of only Russia and China, you might want to reread the history books. Anyway, in this modern time, the UN has no power simply because it’s a tool of the superpowers.

          • @GenEcon@lemm.eeEnglish
            0•4 months ago

            I just checked: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annexation

            Since the end of the cold war (1991), only China, Russia and Norway annexed territory. Norway’s annexed parts didn’t belong to any other state, though. And you can debate if Israel is currently annexing the Gaza strip, but on paper it was Israeli already.

            So yes, its Russias and Chinas stance.

            • @boyiEnglish
              2•4 months ago

              Not sure why you only include annexation after the cold war. We don’t even touch specifically on the Europe issues. It If that’s so, why do you include China into the equation?

              Anyway, I thought the post is about Disputed Territory. That’s a whole different matter with regards to annexation if you consider geopolitical perspective.

              By the way let say I go along with your train of thought: if we simplify the timeline to after the UN has been founded, the post you link does not only discuss about annexation by Israel but also Morocco, Russia, Eritrea, China, Indonesia, India and some other countries - if you even read the article. So yes not just Russia and China.

              Anyway, there’s one topic that you might want to read more in addition to world history: It is called confirmation bias. Have fun.

              -edited typos and for clarity-