To be fair, the 2020 election was won by a left wing conspiracy to oust Donald Trump. In fact, it was the biggest left wing conspiracy in history. Over 81 million Americans conspired to vote that fat cunt out of office.
Boy howdy you had me going there for a second.
You should try that next time someone starts spouting “stop the steal” conspiracies. Marvel as their brain does a hard reboot.
and they’re going to have to do it again, in perpetuity. lol
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A headline that has been true for at least 50 years.
Spoiler: Historically, they usually succeed.
Me: it hasn’t been that long! It started with Nixon!
Also me: Nixon was president in 1973, which was 50 years ago, dumbass.
Also also me: Now you’re going to tell me that the 90s were more than 10 years ago, aren’t you?
I see we share a sense of time. I also think events from the early 00’s happened a “couple years back.”
My daughter called the 90s “a long time ago” the other day. I said to her, “what?! The 90s were yesterday!” She’s 13, she doesn’t understand the challenges of being 2 Legit 2 Quit.
well… yeah.
they want to win, and this is really the only way they can.
As odious as they are, the GOP at least sees and respects its base. And, they are delivering on a political project. We see Trump as a buffoon; they understand him as the first Republican president to actually understand the base and want to make it happy.
The DNC, DCCC, DGA, etc., love their donor class and the encrusted Dem managerial and consulting class that serves their interests. They don’t hear or respect their base, and they will do anything they can to kneecap the base when it wants to move left, up to and including pumping money into primary races on the side of anti-choice candidates against fully electable progressive challengers preferred by the base.
Thus, there is no left political project. In the language of European politics, we have solely have a choice between a center-right Christian Democratic Party and a fascist National Front party.
I don’t know that the right listens to their base so much as they have identified ideas they can exploit. They rally around political hot button topics that drive turn out and engagement.
As far as the democrats go, I can’t really argue with you there.
We need to dismantle the underlying system that allows a two party, money driven electoral system to exist. How you do that when it requires the cooperation of both parties is a question I don’t have the answer to.
Definitely
Republicans don’t try to help their base
They just try not to make it obvious that they’re making their lives worse
The DNC respects it’s base. You just probably think more of the base are moving left than there really are. Reddit users, and now here, seem to exist in such a closed echo chamber they think their highly minority point of view is actually popular outside of their circles. It’s not. Most votinf Democrats are still moderate, which is well represented by the party today. There are fringe progressives that exist in the party (which is not remotely a new thing) and get about as much represntation as they should.
All USAns need to familiarize themselves with the concept of an Overton Window, and really give theirs a very thorough examination.
You know how to get a party to listen to your issues?
Vote the ones that don’t listen out of office.
But then you’d have to engage, vote, organize, and compromise, instead of complain on the internet.
You can do both. It’s ignorant to make unjustified assumptions of people.
Counterpoint: see other comments here.
The DNC, DCCC, DGA, etc., love their donor class and the encrusted Dem managerial and consulting class that serves their interests.
Why I don’t waste ballots on democrats anymore. Their donors’ interests are not my interests; and if no one’s serving my interests, then I don’t have a reason to want to see the “experiment” perpetuate. “Harm reduction” and “buh buh buh it could be the END of our DEMOCRACY” only gets me laughing anymore, because I’m not being represented whatsoever anyway by this system, but a whole bunch of settlers want to come and extort support out of me regardless like they’re just entitled to it.
For those currently flouting rule 5, where’s your discussion that doesn’t hinge itself on a convenient boogeyman? What material conditions can your candidates truly change without being stymied by some lobbyist they’re in the process of sucking the intestines out of? 'Cause I see a whole lot of nothing; and don’t none of y’all have a good answer for it.
You feel disenfranchised by Democrats so you’ve concluded that it would be most politically expedient to disengage from the entire process?
Don’t get me wrong, I follow your reasoning, and certainly see where you’re coming from, but this is precisely the kind of reasoning that politicians pay attention to when deciding whose interests to cater to. If the average progressive-leaning voter refuses to show up at the polls anytime that policymaking doesn’t exactly match up with expectations or a best case scenario, but the political donor class shows up to your fundraiser every year with a big ol’ check and a promise to vote, whose interests are going to receive the most discussion?
How will withholding your vote make anything better? If it won’t, why do you waste your time writing about it on the internet?
The flip side is that Democrats have no incentive at all to shift leftward if progressives always vote Democrat. Leftists aren’t going to vote for Republicans, so it’s in the best interests of the party leadership to court the so-called center because the left wing has no alternative. Being a safe vote is therefore a losing strategy for leftists, which is why you should only vote if there actually is a progressive option.
Problem here is I have lived life when the republicans win and yeah I don’t want to be fucked up the ass but if im tied down and going to be raped but they will give me the option of lube im going to take the lube.
So if the polls show overwhelming support for Democrats and the Democratic platform, you think that those politicians would then start passing conservative policies? I’m sorry, I simply don’t follow. What would be their incentive to enact policies that are out of step with their own platform?
The only reason the center gets courted is because those are the voters who can be convinced to come out and vote on issues where some middle ground exists. If the progressive base fails to vote for the best candidate, which will typically be a Democrat, then the only choice that a Democrat has to gain enough votes to get elected is to shift to the right, towards the voters who are possible to sway.
The modern Republican strategy is to activate as much of their base as possible and get them angry enough to go to the polls and vote. This has been successful in some areas and less so in others, but it was a signal to the Dems that the middle was up for grabs, which is why a lot of our politics have shifted to the right.
The only path available to combat this change is to match the furvor on the left. In a republic like the US, the best case scenario is landing somewhere in the middle. It’s the theory our system of government rests upon. That theory fails when people disengage from the process.
It seems like you have strong convictions about how things should work around here. This is a great first step. We have a limited ability to express those views by voting, but keep in mind that politicians want to stay in power, so if you go to events, call their office, or send them an email about how to earn your vote, they’ll pay attention. They might not do exactly what you say, but your voice will be heard and that becomes a factor in policymaking. If you disengage completely, then they have no choice but to hear the voices that remain, which are generally conservative these days.
With respect, there are other and more effective ways to make your voice heard than participation in a system that is designed from the ground up to prevent the people from achieving parity in government with the wealthy.
Not “feel”. “Actively am.” And it’s fucking laughable to think that these politicians ever looked to the masses before looking to the donor class. Like, you are either pity-inducingly naive, or frustratingly deceitful trying to convince me that was ever going to happen. Beyond that, just because they show up and donate, it’s just… All of a sudden okay for their injustices to move through the party? They got paid, so it’s fine? We’re just going to endlessly sideline morality and ethics because lobbyists grease the wheels that you need greased, be damned the collateral and consequences?
Again, why I have no time and all the contempt for your party. How’m I supposed to see y’all any different from republicans when y’all play the same games? At this point, I just want the house of cards to fall in already. Fuck propping it back up, it’s the same dishonest scoundrels either way.
And in related news: the sky is made of air.
I’m sorry, what? This is just left wing propaganda. It’s right in the name! Sky is made of sky! smdh
A participation trophy you say?
They know it is easier for them that way.
I read the entire article, and all of those shenanigans are being passed in red states, which overwhelmingly vote republican anyway. They disallowed the use of college ID as voter ID in Idaho, but that’s completely moot – Idaho was never going to vote blue anyway.
They’re trying to prevent the oncoming wave of minority and young people that vote overwhelming blue. If motivated enough they’ll swing states like Georgia and Arizona.
From AZ, I never vote red. But I still try to research my candidates. We just swung blue I hope we don’t go back. But we very possibly could. The constant feed of brain rot on the TVs at the office I work at is insane and its a primary source of this polarization we see today. They just listen to heads all day that spew nothing but hate. I turn the TVs off with my flipper zero as I pass by.
i was happy to see az do something right for a change; but being born and raised in az i know that the stake holders in gov’t are going to copy some texas legal tricks to force all future elections to go their way.
That’s like saying, “Democrats never win here, let’s just ban their party entirely.”
I live in Idaho, the Boise area is very blue, and I honestly think we could swing the state if the mormon population could be convinced to stop supporting hateful people like trump. I’m exmormon and even though I really don’t like the church they generally teach tolerance and love, even if its “muttering about sins and shit under your breath” kind of love. Romney is a good example of mormons who have a breaking point with the modern GOP (so is my mother, who is mormon and votes blue) and I hope more reach it this election. It’s a long shot but its never impossible.
I’m exmormon (41 years a member) and I think you live in a bubble. I believe over 75% or more of mormons are Trump MAGA cultists who don’t put their money where there mouth is, and look at love and compassion towards their own cult members as totally different than doing the same with politics. Fuck Mormons. The are one of the most hypocritical groups around.
At my previous job during the 2016 election I had an employee under me that was a Mormon. She was an absolutely insane and very hateful person. Took a lot of glee in the suffering of others. MAGA Trump voter.
Well I’m certainly in a unique spot with my mom, and she is involved in a lot of groups where mormon or exmormon parents call for more lgbtq acceptance and equality, so fair point. I suppose I just wish they’d follow their own teachings rather than be so cruel while claiming its all about love.
No way!
I’d make voting as hard as possible. Heck, put a labyrinth filled with riddles in front of every voting booth. (Culturally neutral riddles OF COURSE)
I sometimes feel that way, yeah. The problem with democracy is the sheer quantity of idiots.
The idiots are being manipulated in cults and are pushing twice as hard compared to other demographics to get their guy in. Meanwhile a majority of average people are straight up not bothering with the process at all. We’re really not good at governing ourselves past a certain size, because we only care about the stuff that directly affect us. The cults are merely providing fake issues to get the idiots out.
MAGAts are such a good argument against democracy that I’ve kinda lost faith in it and just wish more young people were more militant honestly
