UN Security Council passes resolution calling for an "immediate ceasefire" in Gaza, as US shifts position by abstaining from vote

UN Security Council passes resolution calling for an “immediate ceasefire” in Gaza, as US shifts position by abstaining from vote

  • @Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.worldEnglish
    21•9 months ago

    And will they reward Biden for listening or reinforce the idea that there’s no point trying to please the progressive left by finding some other reason to get upset and not vote?

    • @assassin_aragorn@lemmy.worldEnglish
      25•9 months ago

      I think there’s two sides to this. Criticizers shouldn’t suddenly fall in line because we’ve made progress, but they also shouldn’t pretend that nothing’s happened.

      The right answer is to give credit to Biden for listening this much, and continue to push for more. I agree though that overall, this action should earn him more progressive votes – just not all of them, and not with all criticism disappearing.

      • @assassin_aragorn@lemmy.worldEnglish
        12•9 months ago

        I don’t think the progressive left is why Hillary lost. Certainly, people choosing not to vote because she was centrist had an impact, but I don’t think there were really enough “Bernie or bust” folks to be solely responsible. You actually had a higher percentage of Bernie voters going for Hillary in 2016 than you did Hilary voters going for Obama in 2008.

        You had like five different factors and a pretty tight final margin. No one factor was responsible. Comey’s letter, Hilary being center, Russian meddling, online misinformation – all of it is partially but not wholly responsible.

          • @assassin_aragorn@lemmy.worldEnglish
            4•9 months ago

            Ah, you must be a “progressive” who cares more about being right and owning the libs than actually advancing a progressive agenda. I much prefer prioritizing progressive goals and making progress towards them. This UN resolution is a step, and Netanyahu’s petulant reaction to it only makes it more likely that we take more right steps in the future. I’ll continue to celebrate those and hope Biden moves in the right direction, instead of scoffing about “how I was right” in 2016.

            And for that matter, I seem to recall a lot of “progressives” saying Biden would lose in 2020 and Democrats would be destroyed in 2022 – yet, i don’t see you mentioning those predictions. You’ve only got 1 out of 3 right there. I’m sure however in 2026, regardless of how this year goes, you’ll still mention how you were right about 2016, won’t you?

          • NatanaelEnglish
            2•9 months ago

            Hillary still got the popular vote, it’s gerrymandering and voter suppression bullshit that caused the loss more than anything

          • bobalotEnglish
            -2•9 months ago

            Yeah, but Sanders wouldn’t win either.

            He couldn’t even beat Hillary Clinton.

            If it wasn’t for the undemocratic caucuses, he would have lost earlier.

            And before someone says it, it wasn’t “rigged”. Sanders lost by millions of votes.

            The electorate isn’t as progressive as the echo chambers on Lemmy and Reddit are.