Maybe I’m crazy but the more of these I read the more I feel bad for these people.
It’s like the law is so alien and arbitrary to them, that even when presented with strong evidence that they’re wrong, they can’t see they’ve been deceived. They’d rather live in a world where laws can be invalidated just because they’re unfair or arcane (as long as you know the magic spell of course…).
I kind of sympathize with that: the law IS alien and often arbitrary for us common folk.
The law isn’t hard to understand it’s just hard to understand the specifics of. That’s not quite the same thing.
I do not think anyone really believes that they are allowed to drive on a suspended license, they know they’re not allowed to drive on the suspended license, but they are selfish and they do not care. They just think that there’s some weird loophole that will allow them to get away with it.
The problem is, everything they think they know about the law comes from a facebook group of crazy people.
But that’s the thing though: devil’s in the details. That’s why we hire lawyers. I mean, driving on a suspended license is illegal for everyone and it’s very obvious. Pretty much everyone gets the same ticket.
Just like stealing and embezzlement. Some guy at my work just got fired for that, and rightly so. He stole like, a hundred dollars worth of candy. They’re prosecuting him for it. Not sure why he did it, he was on camera taking an entire case, very silly stuff.
I suspect there’s a group of sovcits (perhaps even the majority of them) who are assholes looking to shirk alimony or child support, or wanting to drive after their 5th DUI took their license.
But yeah, on the other hand, I get why some people are rightfully angry about corps and rich people getting away with murder, and so they do their own “research” on how to figure out the loopholes of things like making yourself into a corporation. Too bad the reality is the a) rich people do exist in a separate justice system and b) they’re far too dumb to be able to make legal loopholes work for them. Plus most of those loopholes involve a ton of money in the first place (refer back to point a).
If you rob a bank for $5.6m, and get caught, I’m pretty sure won’t be allowed to use that money to pay a lawyer. Wynn Resorts needed to have enough funds for legal expenses even without the money in dispute.
It’s more like this is a myth they can believe in. They feel trapped in an unfair, punitive and coercive system where they functionally have no real choices. The myth of sovereign citizens allows them to grasp onto a hope that actually they do have some choice. “I never consented to this, I never chose this, so I must be able to opt out, right?” In some ways, it’s much like the myth people tell of the “Reptilian Overlords”. Looking at the unfairness, abusiveness, and callousness of those in power, it’s easier for some to cling to a story that explains their “otherness” than accept that humans do horrible shit to each other and accept that is part of one’s own identity.
I’ve always thought it so odd how people can look at something like greed and we pretty much all agree, that thing is bad.
Go out to dinner with some friends and just start taking everyone’s food and drink and you aren’t getting invited out again.
Then for our society we were like “what if we let greed be the driving force of this thing and the greediest people who take up the absolute most for themselves we will turn into celebrities!”
In my life I’ve known lots of people and most have been pretty regular fine people. It’s like our entire society is being held back by a small group of people going “no you can’t have nice things because if you had a nice thing a person like me would come in and fuck it all up to make a profit” and then we put those people in charge.
I was so confused by this as a kid when I started to comprehend international politics. I remember asking my parents, “kids know this isn’t ok. How do groups of adults behave like this?”
laws can be invalidated just because they’re unfair or arcane
The trending suggests that the laws these whackados are neither unfair nor arcane. We have custody rights, we have speed limits and loan payment and utility charges, insurance requirements and proof a driver can pass a basic proficiency test, and that seems to be the bulk of it.
Call it a bias, because it is, but I’m only seeing dirtbags shirking their responsibility as a member of society while still demanding its protections. But until we have a remote island to put all our non-society people where they can live out the short remainder of their anarchic lives in the environment they claim to want, without money and trust and standards and testing and trivial service to the society for the good of everyone through consolidation and specialization that allows, until we can give these people the daily fishing and water-toting grind they so desperately demand because the don’t understand the appendicitis is still a thing there too, we have to let them exist in our society.
Is that their leverage? We can’t give them what they demand so we have to let them re-create their more primitive way of life with all the benefits of modern society? They know hawaii makes new islands all the time, right?
I can’t understand most of this incomprehensible rant, but this goes both ways. The law uses arcane rules to keep people in or keep people from seeking justice at all.
Often the arcane rules are really the only thing that helps people. For instance, in some states there are time limits on appealing a case, so even if you do find some you can’t present it. The only option at that point may be to prove a mistrial in order to even present the new evidence.
You would think we have people involved to keep the whole thing empathetic and human, but… You’d be wrong, and maybe people are just fucking awful anyway.
In most cases though people don’t try. The state throws so much red tape at them they just plead out to avoid the hassle. Out justice system is really designed for efficiency st this point and not for justice. We’re too cheap to invest in actual justice.
Meh. I work in tech and a big part of my day is just communicating with non tech trying to make sure they understand. It’s just part of having a job imo. We have an entire customer support department just to do it with customers.
Lawyers and judges often are just fucking lazy assholes.
Maybe I’m crazy but the more of these I read the more I feel bad for these people.
It’s like the law is so alien and arbitrary to them, that even when presented with strong evidence that they’re wrong, they can’t see they’ve been deceived. They’d rather live in a world where laws can be invalidated just because they’re unfair or arcane (as long as you know the magic spell of course…).
I kind of sympathize with that: the law IS alien and often arbitrary for us common folk.
The law isn’t hard to understand it’s just hard to understand the specifics of. That’s not quite the same thing.
I do not think anyone really believes that they are allowed to drive on a suspended license, they know they’re not allowed to drive on the suspended license, but they are selfish and they do not care. They just think that there’s some weird loophole that will allow them to get away with it.
The problem is, everything they think they know about the law comes from a facebook group of crazy people.
But that’s the thing though: devil’s in the details. That’s why we hire lawyers. I mean, driving on a suspended license is illegal for everyone and it’s very obvious. Pretty much everyone gets the same ticket.
Just like stealing and embezzlement. Some guy at my work just got fired for that, and rightly so. He stole like, a hundred dollars worth of candy. They’re prosecuting him for it. Not sure why he did it, he was on camera taking an entire case, very silly stuff.
Too bad he didn’t steal 5.6 million dollars from 1,000 people. Then it would just be a civil case that takes 10+ years to litigate.
Edit: the dealers were actually seeking a combined 50 mil, and after legal fees (1.4 mil) and etc each got about 4K. Justice!
I suspect there’s a group of sovcits (perhaps even the majority of them) who are assholes looking to shirk alimony or child support, or wanting to drive after their 5th DUI took their license.
But yeah, on the other hand, I get why some people are rightfully angry about corps and rich people getting away with murder, and so they do their own “research” on how to figure out the loopholes of things like making yourself into a corporation. Too bad the reality is the a) rich people do exist in a separate justice system and b) they’re far too dumb to be able to make legal loopholes work for them. Plus most of those loopholes involve a ton of money in the first place (refer back to point a).
It’s not about how much you steal, it’s about how expensive are the lawyers you can afford.
5.6 million dollars buys a lot more lawyers than a case of candy
If you rob a bank for $5.6m, and get caught, I’m pretty sure won’t be allowed to use that money to pay a lawyer. Wynn Resorts needed to have enough funds for legal expenses even without the money in dispute.
lawyers, like bankers, are the only winners in the game they play
It’s more like this is a myth they can believe in. They feel trapped in an unfair, punitive and coercive system where they functionally have no real choices. The myth of sovereign citizens allows them to grasp onto a hope that actually they do have some choice. “I never consented to this, I never chose this, so I must be able to opt out, right?” In some ways, it’s much like the myth people tell of the “Reptilian Overlords”. Looking at the unfairness, abusiveness, and callousness of those in power, it’s easier for some to cling to a story that explains their “otherness” than accept that humans do horrible shit to each other and accept that is part of one’s own identity.
Exactly. Well said.
*are trapped, just like you
Nobody has any power over me. I think Jesus and Marcus Aurelius agree on that.
I’ve always thought it so odd how people can look at something like greed and we pretty much all agree, that thing is bad.
Go out to dinner with some friends and just start taking everyone’s food and drink and you aren’t getting invited out again.
Then for our society we were like “what if we let greed be the driving force of this thing and the greediest people who take up the absolute most for themselves we will turn into celebrities!”
In my life I’ve known lots of people and most have been pretty regular fine people. It’s like our entire society is being held back by a small group of people going “no you can’t have nice things because if you had a nice thing a person like me would come in and fuck it all up to make a profit” and then we put those people in charge.
I was so confused by this as a kid when I started to comprehend international politics. I remember asking my parents, “kids know this isn’t ok. How do groups of adults behave like this?”
The trending suggests that the laws these whackados are neither unfair nor arcane. We have custody rights, we have speed limits and loan payment and utility charges, insurance requirements and proof a driver can pass a basic proficiency test, and that seems to be the bulk of it.
Call it a bias, because it is, but I’m only seeing dirtbags shirking their responsibility as a member of society while still demanding its protections. But until we have a remote island to put all our non-society people where they can live out the short remainder of their anarchic lives in the environment they claim to want, without money and trust and standards and testing and trivial service to the society for the good of everyone through consolidation and specialization that allows, until we can give these people the daily fishing and water-toting grind they so desperately demand because the don’t understand the appendicitis is still a thing there too, we have to let them exist in our society.
Is that their leverage? We can’t give them what they demand so we have to let them re-create their more primitive way of life with all the benefits of modern society? They know hawaii makes new islands all the time, right?
I can’t understand most of this incomprehensible rant, but this goes both ways. The law uses arcane rules to keep people in or keep people from seeking justice at all.
Often the arcane rules are really the only thing that helps people. For instance, in some states there are time limits on appealing a case, so even if you do find some you can’t present it. The only option at that point may be to prove a mistrial in order to even present the new evidence.
You would think we have people involved to keep the whole thing empathetic and human, but… You’d be wrong, and maybe people are just fucking awful anyway.
In most cases though people don’t try. The state throws so much red tape at them they just plead out to avoid the hassle. Out justice system is really designed for efficiency st this point and not for justice. We’re too cheap to invest in actual justice.
That’s… why they’re guaranteed representation by someone who knows the law. This idiot gave up that right.
Meh. I work in tech and a big part of my day is just communicating with non tech trying to make sure they understand. It’s just part of having a job imo. We have an entire customer support department just to do it with customers.
Lawyers and judges often are just fucking lazy assholes.