I just don’t understand why a lot of men online only seem to be able to discuss this sort of thing in a context of what women or feminists are supposedly doing. If it really is about men’s issues and not against women, feminism, or belittling women’s issues, than why mention women in the first place?
Because there is a huge chunk of feminists who perpetrate misandry in the open and are praised for it. Because TERFs exist. Modern feminism has done so much “reverse sexism” that some feminists avoid calling themselves as such in order not to be associated with those people.
Not to mention, if someone started talking about body positivity issues for men without mentioning women at all people would come swarming and say “women have it WAY worse!” like it’s happening in this thread. Is it only acceptable to talk about it if it’s prefaced with “modern society has a huge issue with female body standards, but”? And people would probably find a way to complain about that wording as well.
A huge chunk of feminists are pereptrating hatred of men and are praised for that?
I don’t think we share a reality. Unless with a “huge chunk” you mean one hateful twitter post by one individual or whatever you are referring to.
Otherwise please show to me a few examples where feminists perpetuate hatred towards men. Otherwise I assume you were tricked by some Andrew Tate video into believing there is a conspiracy against men by female raptors in the shadows or something.
So the meme is basically anti-feminist? Complaining about women talking about the female body image presented in media while not also focusing on male body image?
The way I see it, the meme (obviously the original one, this one is a shitpost edit) is taking a jab at feminists who complain about female body standards but enjoy the male body ones. It’s just pointing out the hypocrisy of a (I hope very small) chunk of feminists, not at the movement as a whole.
Then the people misunderstand what feminist theory is saying. It’s not saying that it’s bad to enjoy looking at attractive people’s bodies or that there shouldn’t be attractive characters. It’s about the lack of diversity in the representation of female characters and the reduction on their role as eye-candy.
I thought it was more about the unrealistic portrayal of bodies in fiction (i.e. women being perfect because of plastic surgery/makeup and men because of steroids), therefore popularizing a body standard that is pretty much unachievable.
The comment that sparked this all was discussing about objectification more than diversity, as I said if it’s about women in movies being often slim and young I can agree, but it’s more due to famous old actors being mostly men and male fat/ugly characters being more “acceptable” to make fun of, in my opinion.
The eye-candy issue is also being less and less present because nobody likes one-dimensional useless characters and most modern movies try to give depth and/or plot relevance to every character, regardless of gender. It was a serious issue up to 10-15 years ago where you could exactly pinpoint who the movie was tailored to based on how relevant women were, but I don’t remember recent movies having that transformers-like female character archetype that’s only there to be sexy and get the main character laid.
I just don’t understand why a lot of men online only seem to be able to discuss this sort of thing in a context of what women or feminists are supposedly doing. If it really is about men’s issues and not against women, feminism, or belittling women’s issues, than why mention women in the first place?
Because there is a huge chunk of feminists who perpetrate misandry in the open and are praised for it. Because TERFs exist. Modern feminism has done so much “reverse sexism” that some feminists avoid calling themselves as such in order not to be associated with those people.
Not to mention, if someone started talking about body positivity issues for men without mentioning women at all people would come swarming and say “women have it WAY worse!” like it’s happening in this thread. Is it only acceptable to talk about it if it’s prefaced with “modern society has a huge issue with female body standards, but”? And people would probably find a way to complain about that wording as well.
A huge chunk of feminists are pereptrating hatred of men and are praised for that?
I don’t think we share a reality. Unless with a “huge chunk” you mean one hateful twitter post by one individual or whatever you are referring to.
Otherwise please show to me a few examples where feminists perpetuate hatred towards men. Otherwise I assume you were tricked by some Andrew Tate video into believing there is a conspiracy against men by female raptors in the shadows or something.
So the meme is basically anti-feminist? Complaining about women talking about the female body image presented in media while not also focusing on male body image?
I think that it is just acknowledging that both genders face misrepresentation
The way I see it, the meme (obviously the original one, this one is a shitpost edit) is taking a jab at feminists who complain about female body standards but enjoy the male body ones. It’s just pointing out the hypocrisy of a (I hope very small) chunk of feminists, not at the movement as a whole.
Then the people misunderstand what feminist theory is saying. It’s not saying that it’s bad to enjoy looking at attractive people’s bodies or that there shouldn’t be attractive characters. It’s about the lack of diversity in the representation of female characters and the reduction on their role as eye-candy.
I thought it was more about the unrealistic portrayal of bodies in fiction (i.e. women being perfect because of plastic surgery/makeup and men because of steroids), therefore popularizing a body standard that is pretty much unachievable.
The comment that sparked this all was discussing about objectification more than diversity, as I said if it’s about women in movies being often slim and young I can agree, but it’s more due to famous old actors being mostly men and male fat/ugly characters being more “acceptable” to make fun of, in my opinion.
The eye-candy issue is also being less and less present because nobody likes one-dimensional useless characters and most modern movies try to give depth and/or plot relevance to every character, regardless of gender. It was a serious issue up to 10-15 years ago where you could exactly pinpoint who the movie was tailored to based on how relevant women were, but I don’t remember recent movies having that transformers-like female character archetype that’s only there to be sexy and get the main character laid.