• @Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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    11 months ago

    Don’t insult your readers by expecting them to buy that 2016 was a fair primary.

    The last primary that didn’t have a preordained winner was 2008. When Clinton lost, her supporters threw a tantrum and formed a PAC to get McCain elected. Ever since, they’ve been screaming “no matter who” because they’re giant hypocrites.

    • @Pohl@lemmy.world
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      111 months ago

      That is a version of history, but it is intensely colored by your preferences and less by reality. Primaries are decided by votes and while senator sanders assembled an impressive coalition, it could not be turned into votes. Don’t confuse “narratives” with votes. Narratives are for media and twitter denizens. The party decided at the ballot box. And the rules the dems use to allocate delegates are far friendlier to outsider candidate than the GOP’s.

      It is completely fair to say that the tenor and narrative of 2016 and 2020 was sanders vs everybody. That is very accurate. But don’t be the sort of tinfoil hat simpleton who sees conspiracy and skullduggery in every event that doesn’t suit your preferences.

      Look at the dem congressional caucus if you want to know where the party and its voters sit ideologically. The progressive caucus is bigger than it used to be but it is still a small minority of the overall party. You change that from the bottom up, not with big wild swings at the presidency.

      • @Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world
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        511 months ago

        The party didn’t argue in court that the 2016 primary was fair. They argued that the primary was theirs to fuck with as they saw fit.

        If Clinton really ran away with it like you claim, all that tells me is the party was dumb enough to cheat when it didn’t need to.

        • @Pohl@lemmy.world
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          -211 months ago

          What cheating?? What state was not allowed to elect convention delegates? What delegates defected from their candidate on the first ballot? I know you want to believe that there is a big progressive majority that wanted to chose sanders but it isn’t true.

          Alas, talking a stranger out of conspiracy theories is not how I intend to spend my day. Good luck out their friend. You lived in a media bubble where it seemed inevitable. Outside your bubble, it was a long shot.