EDIT: since apparently a bunch of people woke up with the wrong foot this morning or forgot to check the group they’re in:

This is a joke. Do not steal or vandalize speed enforcement cameras (or anything else for that matter). That’s against the law and you will likely get arrested.

If you’re addicted to crack or any other drugs, please seek professional help.

  • @Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world
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    The op picture is a rural US school. Bringing up how things are done in the city center of Hamburg is rather irrelevant. New York City children take the subway to school.

    I already said I don’t have a solution to US car culture. I only took issue with the ridiculous idea that the roads in front of rural US schools could be made safer by making them impassable by busses.

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      Things aren’t done differently, in principle, in villages. You were the one brining up blocks or did you mean “buildings surrounded by roads and fields”.

      This is Wacken (the Wacken), I zoomed you in on the primary school. There’s surrounding villages without school so it’s bound to get bus traffic. Note how it’s on a street that’s wide enough for that, but not the main road, the one with all the through-traffic. Can you understand that principle. (Main Roads, actually, Wacken has two, Schenefelder and Hauptstraße).

      I only took issue with the ridiculous idea that the roads in front of rural US schools could be made safer by making them impassable by busses.

      Noone ever said that? At least I didn’t.

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        I brought up blocks because the poster attempted to reframe the argument from a rural US school into a city center where one way streets are possible. I pointed out that this wasn’t applicable. It was not an inner city with blocks. One way streets are not a possible solution for this rural US school.

        Wide enough for one pickup and no opposing traffic, but so narrow that two pickups are going to really have to negotiate to move around each other."

        When you replied to me, this is what you were replying to.

        That quote was the only point I am trying to address. I stated that a road that did not allow two small pickup trucks to pass would not be wide enough for two school busses to pass each other.

        That’s it.

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          Why can’t you have one-way streets in a rural area? Fork off the main street on one end, merge on the other. Pedestrian and bicycle traffic can be bidirectional, cars can take a little detour they don’t use muscle energy.

          Wide enough for one pickup and no opposing traffic, but so narrow that two pickups are going to really have to negotiate to move around each other."

          How does that translate to "block the street for buses? If a street fits two pickups it fits two buses. They’ll have to negotiate to move around each other so if you have many (which, as I told you a lot, you shouldn’t) you should consider a one-way road, or maybe a meeting bay, or a wider street with choke points, or whatever. But it’s not “blocking the road for buses”.

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            Why can’t you have one-way streets in a rural area?

            Cost. That separate road means buying land from someone and turning it into road. Do they have one way roads for rural schools in Germany? Because I looked at a few Grundschule in Bavaria on Google maps and didn’t see any.

            How does that translate to "block the street for buses? If a street fits two pickups it fits two buses.

            He said small pickup truck such that two small pickup trucks could not pass without needing to maneuver.

            A bus is .5 meters wider than a pickup truck.

            It is cheaper and more convenient to have a speed camera that is active only during school hours.

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              Cost. That separate road means buying land from someone and turning it into road. Do they have one way roads for rural schools in Germany? Because I looked at a few Grundschule in Bavaria on Google maps and didn’t see any.

              You’ll have a hard time finding a village with literally one single road. Certainly not one 1-2k which is the size that gets the school for the surrounding ones.

              It is cheaper and more convenient to have a speed camera that is active only during school hours.

              And also completely ineffective at preventing anything.Heck at least use road bumps. Narrow the road only in spots so that two monster trucks if you please fit on comfortably side by side for 50-100m or such, but then it narrows down to half that for just 5m. While you’re at it build a crossing there, narrowing the roads at pedestrian crossing is standard practice in many places and it makes a hell a lot of sense. Yes, that slows down traffic because you might have to negotiate with oncoming traffic who goes first. Yes, that’s precisely the point.

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                First hits from list on Google

                Alois-Kober-Grundschule

                Grundschule Niederstotzingen

                Grundschule Pfaffenhofen

                Grundschule Lichtenau

                Grund- und Mittelschule Wittislingen

                Seyfried-Schweppermann-Schule Kastl, Klosterburg 6, 92280 Kastl, Germany

                All located off a main road in the same style as US schools. Just like US schools, many have their own driveway that goes off the main road to the front of the school. (In the US this school driveway is one way.) It’s the main road that has the speed camera for US schools. It is the main road that the original poster I replied to suggested making impassable to two way bus traffic.

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                  Grundschule Niederstotzingen

                  That’s not on a main road. Zoom out a bit, the main roads are the ones leading to other villages, named after those villages (or in the case of Ulm a city in that direction).

                  Grundschule Pfaffenhofen

                  neither

                  Didn’t check the rest

                  Just like US schools, many have their own driveway that goes off the main road

                  Those are residential roads. This a view of the Niederstotzingen school from the road it’s on, the gymnasium is on the other side. Look up and down the road, there’s residential buildings there. Looking at the signage (or rather lack thereof), it’s two-way. No lane markings though small roads just don’t have them, you slow down and make sure to not shear off your side mirrors with the side mirrors of oncoming traffic. The little shack with a sign with an H is a bus stop. Only seems to be served by one bus line (at least I can’t find more), here’s the schelude. It connects to two train stations (including thie Niederstotzingen one) roughly every 30 minutes. Frankly speaking you can walk from there you’ll be faster than waiting for the next bus.

                  Niederstotzingen is classed as a city btw, almost 5k inhabitants. It’s not really a size thing in Germany though and nowadays the title doesn’t have any legal meaning, city rights were granted by Kaiser Sigismund in 1430, meaning it served as the local trade hub or such. Congratulations, thanks to wikipedia I know now more about a tiny city I don’t care about in a state I don’t care for :)

                  • @Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world
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                    Is Bergstrabe one way? Does it connect to more than just the school? That’s a main road. Does it have speed bumps? It is not a highway which was mentioned in the first reply when someone asked if US schools are on a highway.

                    There are residential houses on the same road as American rural schools. Look at the map of Comer elementary which is what this entire thread is about.