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Or are you just ignorant of history and think the battle flag is THE confederate flag? You never disappoint in how little you know.
I’ve already explained this to you. It seems beyond your abilities to understand, but I’ll give you one more chance.
Yes, it is technically just a battle flag. But that’s not how it’s used, that’s not what it CURRENTLY represents. The meanings of things can change and have changed. Shocking I know.
Said flag now represents the confederacy, who’s proposed was to protect the institution of slavery.
Racist republicans are quite ok with that though, because they always have the excuse that it’s their heritage or southern pride or some other bullshit excuse for their blatant support for racism.
Southerners fly it for Southern pride.
Yeah, and people fly nazi flags because they’re just trying to represent their German heritage. Get a grip.
Are these people racist? Once again you don’t get to define a symbol. The confederate battle flag is complicated and it’s something you can seem to grasp. You thought it was the flag of the confederate states which it isn’t. It means many things to many different people.
I never said I could. It’s already been defined elsewhere as a hare symbol, and a symbol or slavery.
You thought it was the flag of the confederate states which it isn’t.
I never said that. I have more than 2 braincells, which is more than can be said for many people and therefore I am capable of realizing that when the term “the confederate flag” comes up, I can acknowledge that while technically not correct, this is the one that people are generally referencing. It’s a hate symbol, and a representation of the confederacy, for which the entire purpose was protecting slavery.
You have to click on the link and read. Not everyone thinks it’s a hate symbol.
From your own link.
This contrasted with polling[52] conducted Morning Consult and Politico right after the George Floyd incident, which showed nearly the opposite - 44 percent of saw the Confederate flag as symbol of Southern pride, and 36 percent saw it as racist.[53]
The Confederate flag is a controversial symbol for many Americans today. A 2011 Pew Research Center poll revealed that 30% of Americans had a “negative reaction” when “they saw the Confederate flag displayed.”[46] According to the same poll, 9% of Americans had a positive reaction. A majority (58%) did not react. Among black Americans, 41% had a negative reaction, 10% had a positive reaction, and 45% did not. A similar poll taken in 2015 revealed little change from 2011.[47]
In an October 2013 YouGov poll, a plurality (38%) of those polled disapproved of displaying the flag in public places.[48] In the same poll, a plurality (44%) of those asked viewed the flag as a symbol of racism, with 24% viewing it as exclusively racist and 20% viewing it as both racist and symbolic of pride in the region. 35% viewed it exclusively as a symbol of regional pride.[48]
In a national survey in 2015 across all races, 57% of Americans believed that the Confederate flag represented Southern pride rather than racism. A similar poll in 2000 had a nearly identical result of 59%. However, poll results from only the South yielded a completely different result: 75% of Southern whites described the flag as a symbol of pride. Conversely, 75% of Southern blacks said the flag symbolized racism.[49]
Another poll, administered by Economist / YouGov after racially motivated violence in Charleston in August 2017, showed that by a 5% margin – 43% to 38% – the Confederate Flag was viewed as a symbol of southern pride rather than racism. However, participants of color were 32% more likely than their white neighbors to see it as a sign of racism.[50]
In July 2020, over a month after the George Floyd incident, Quinnipiac released a poll[51] showing that the majority of both Southerners and Americans in general now viewed the Confederate flag as a racist symbol rather than one of heritage, with 55% of Southerners associating the Confederate flag with racism compared to 36% who said the flag a symbol of Southern pride. Closely followed were Americans in general, 56% of whom said the flag was a symbol of racism, with 35% saying it was a symbol of southern pride.
This contrasted with polling[52] conducted Morning Consult and Politico right after the George Floyd incident, which showed nearly the opposite - 44 percent of saw the Confederate flag as symbol of Southern pride, and 36 percent saw it as racist.
I never said it was cut and dry. Yet again you are just trying to put words in people’s mouths, so no wonder your so lost as to the meaning of what I’ve actually been saying.
Try reading and understanding next time instead of thinly veiled accusations posed as questions. You have such a had time with it.
As I said it’s complex but by default it isn’t a racist symbol
Yeah, a flag that represents a rebellion who’s sole purpose was to defend slavery sure as hell isn’t racist. Get real.
I’ve already explained this to you. It seems beyond your abilities to understand, but I’ll give you one more chance.
Yes, it is technically just a battle flag. But that’s not how it’s used, that’s not what it CURRENTLY represents. The meanings of things can change and have changed. Shocking I know.
Said flag now represents the confederacy, who’s proposed was to protect the institution of slavery.
Racist republicans are quite ok with that though, because they always have the excuse that it’s their heritage or southern pride or some other bullshit excuse for their blatant support for racism.
Yeah, and people fly nazi flags because they’re just trying to represent their German heritage. Get a grip.
It still represents southern pride. You don’t get to define the symbol anyway you want.
Neither do you.
https://www.nationalgeographic.com/history/article/how-confederate-battle-flag-became-symbol-racism
Are these people racist? Once again you don’t get to define a symbol. The confederate battle flag is complicated and it’s something you can seem to grasp. You thought it was the flag of the confederate states which it isn’t. It means many things to many different people.
https://www.ajc.com/news/state--regional-govt--politics/photos-they-black-and-they-proud-the-confederate-flag/by06A6ywMrqi7mYP9A1jmO/
Here is a racist flag. Anytime I see that flag, I know the person is a jackass.
https://www.theflagshop.co.uk/flags-for-sale/democratic-party-flag.html
Who? Be more clear.
I never said I could. It’s already been defined elsewhere as a hare symbol, and a symbol or slavery.
I never said that. I have more than 2 braincells, which is more than can be said for many people and therefore I am capable of realizing that when the term “the confederate flag” comes up, I can acknowledge that while technically not correct, this is the one that people are generally referencing. It’s a hate symbol, and a representation of the confederacy, for which the entire purpose was protecting slavery.
And evidently that’s too complicated for you.
You have to click on the link and read. Not everyone thinks it’s a hate symbol.
From your own link.
This contrasted with polling[52] conducted Morning Consult and Politico right after the George Floyd incident, which showed nearly the opposite - 44 percent of saw the Confederate flag as symbol of Southern pride, and 36 percent saw it as racist.[53]
Cherypicking is fun
The Confederate flag is a controversial symbol for many Americans today. A 2011 Pew Research Center poll revealed that 30% of Americans had a “negative reaction” when “they saw the Confederate flag displayed.”[46] According to the same poll, 9% of Americans had a positive reaction. A majority (58%) did not react. Among black Americans, 41% had a negative reaction, 10% had a positive reaction, and 45% did not. A similar poll taken in 2015 revealed little change from 2011.[47]
In an October 2013 YouGov poll, a plurality (38%) of those polled disapproved of displaying the flag in public places.[48] In the same poll, a plurality (44%) of those asked viewed the flag as a symbol of racism, with 24% viewing it as exclusively racist and 20% viewing it as both racist and symbolic of pride in the region. 35% viewed it exclusively as a symbol of regional pride.[48]
In a national survey in 2015 across all races, 57% of Americans believed that the Confederate flag represented Southern pride rather than racism. A similar poll in 2000 had a nearly identical result of 59%. However, poll results from only the South yielded a completely different result: 75% of Southern whites described the flag as a symbol of pride. Conversely, 75% of Southern blacks said the flag symbolized racism.[49]
Another poll, administered by Economist / YouGov after racially motivated violence in Charleston in August 2017, showed that by a 5% margin – 43% to 38% – the Confederate Flag was viewed as a symbol of southern pride rather than racism. However, participants of color were 32% more likely than their white neighbors to see it as a sign of racism.[50]
In July 2020, over a month after the George Floyd incident, Quinnipiac released a poll[51] showing that the majority of both Southerners and Americans in general now viewed the Confederate flag as a racist symbol rather than one of heritage, with 55% of Southerners associating the Confederate flag with racism compared to 36% who said the flag a symbol of Southern pride. Closely followed were Americans in general, 56% of whom said the flag was a symbol of racism, with 35% saying it was a symbol of southern pride.
This contrasted with polling[52] conducted Morning Consult and Politico right after the George Floyd incident, which showed nearly the opposite - 44 percent of saw the Confederate flag as symbol of Southern pride, and 36 percent saw it as racist.
And? It’s not as cut and dry as you claim which isn’t shocking. The number even in the other polls show a large group still see it southern pride.
As I said it’s complex but by default it isn’t a racist symbol. If anything it’s an anti-government symbol as it’s consistently been used as one.
I never said it was cut and dry. Yet again you are just trying to put words in people’s mouths, so no wonder your so lost as to the meaning of what I’ve actually been saying.
Try reading and understanding next time instead of thinly veiled accusations posed as questions. You have such a had time with it.
Yeah, a flag that represents a rebellion who’s sole purpose was to defend slavery sure as hell isn’t racist. Get real.