Wow, look at the IDF, the most incompetent genocidal army.
What do you think is happening exactly? Are the trained soldiers getting orders to kill as much people as possible, having access to many thousands of tons in munitions, advanced air force and weaponry systems, with aid from the US and failing miserably at their job?
Uh… Almost all of Gaza is rubble. At the lowest estimate more than 1% of the population is killed, likely much more. Half the ammunition used in Gaza was “dumb”, non-precision ammunition. What else do you need?
Judging by numbers is extremely inaccurate. Whole argument of saying that one side has killed more people, hence is worse, is irrelevant and very wrong.
Actually, those are Hamas claimed numbers. The IDF numbers claim more than 8,000 dead combatents, that’s actually a more than reasonable civilian to combatant ratio comparing to recent and less recent conflicts.
I know that sounds a bit heartless, but given the population density in Gaza it’s quite clear there’s no genocide intent here.
I would even argue that the Israeli army did more to save Palestinian lives than Hamas, who put them in an impossible situation for the sake of Jihad.
I would even argue that the Israeli army did more to save Palestinian lives
Like giving civilians a “safe route” and then bombing them as they followed it? Or bombing refugee camps? Sniping civilians? Cutting off the fuel supply and bombing hospitals?
Hamas lies, in fact they actually shot at their fleeing people to deter them from leaving so they’ll remain human shields, obviously blaming Israel.
Or bombing refugee camps
The refugee camps are being used by terrorists, ate you telling Israel how to achieve its goals?
In fact, even after Israel designated humanitarian zones, Hamas started shooting from there.
Cutting off the fuel supply
Humanitarian needs are being taken care of, although I don’t think any country would do the same in the same situation where the electricity and fuel are constantly being used against you.
Can you imagine supplying fuel to a country that keeps throwing rockets on you for years? This situation is absurd.
bombing hospitals
Hamas lies which have already been proven so.
The single time a hospital was hit was due to an Islamic Jihad rocket misfiring and landing in a hospital parking lot (supposedly killing 500 people according to the fastest body conters in the world, which were able to supply that body count around 5 minutes after that missile exploded).
For those of you wandering what was in this deleted comment - it’s videos taken by GoPro’s carried by the Hamas terrorists as they raided Israeli towns and brutally murdered as much civilians as they could find, including women and children.
Apperantly, it’s not OK by the mod to show (or even link to) evidence of actual genocide, only to make false claims of one.
The mod didn’t explained which rule is it that led to my comment being deleted.
If anyone’s interested (I couldn’t watch all of it, and what I was able to watch kept me up at night) - contact me directly and I’ll send you the link for your viewing displeasure.
Keep down-voting, logic can’t seem to get through to you - if there was actual genocidal intent by Israel there’s no chance there’s no chance there were only 20 thousand or so dead.
These figures are probably over-hyped by the Hamas “health ministry”, which hold a Guinness world record for the fastest body counting by the way.
Obviously Israel can’t just exterminate the whole population. The world wouldn’t accept that. But making the region unliveable is a different story. They’ve been working on that for decades and this is the culmination of that plan.
If they were just hunting for"terrorists" they wouldn’t have to level entire blocks. Drive entire cities out of their homes.
I realize none of this will connect because Israel’s defenders will argue that for it’s security there’s no line it can’t cross. But for those of us on the sidelines the goal us pretty damn obvious. From “voluntary migration” to there’s “no such thing as a Palestinian people” (quotes from serving ministers) it’s pretty damning stuff.
So you’re accusing Israel of doing everything it can in light of a terrorist organization holding 136 hostages as of now, which has dug all of it’s military facilities underneath civilian buildings and infrastructure to not upset the international community?
What is it that you expect Israel to do? Trust the terrorists that have shown by action and by verbal intent they will keep on doing their genocidal Jihadist quest?
You’re viewing this through your (probably) western eyes.
The population has been radicalized for years now (see https://youtu.be/W3jHj93JFMQ), and is being controlled by a terrorist organization with a mission of creating an Islamic State in the region, the Palestinian cause is just an excuse it uses.
Coming from outside, not knowing the full history of the region, and saying “ok kids, stop fighting and behave like an adult” when in reality one kid is a literal terrorist is (IMHO) naive.
Both Israel and the Palestinians are between a rock and a hard place, but the only way forward is to get rid of the terrorists who are not playing by any rules - their only wish is for the abolishment of Israel and its non-muslim citizens, with no regards for actual Palestinian lives.
They haven’t done everything they can. Israel is one of the most well informed countries in the world with an intelligence agency that is on the cutting edge of opsec. They know exactly where Hamas is. What they don’t HAVE to do is bomb hospitals, bomb schools, bomb refugee camps displacing hundreds of thousands if not into the millions of people.
With all it’s intelligence might, Israel had dropped the ball, and it has been shown that no amount of intelligence can help deter a terrorist organization at the border.
If those schools are used for terrorist activities, the civilian population has evacuated, and the area designated as a war zone, it is fully entitled to complete the mission of eradicating Hamas, which is hurting the entire region, not just Israel.
The situation is shitty, but Israel was dragged forcefully into it, not by choice.
Wow, look at the IDF, the most incompetent genocidal army.
What do you think is happening exactly? Are the trained soldiers getting orders to kill as much people as possible, having access to many thousands of tons in munitions, advanced air force and weaponry systems, with aid from the US and failing miserably at their job?
Uh… Almost all of Gaza is rubble. At the lowest estimate more than 1% of the population is killed, likely much more. Half the ammunition used in Gaza was “dumb”, non-precision ammunition. What else do you need?
Proof of genocide, and not the Hamas kind of proof
Too bad there’s no video…
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Killing 1500 israelis is a genocide but over 20k palestinians is not! We get it Israelis life is more precious than palestinians to pro-israel
Judging by numbers is extremely inaccurate. Whole argument of saying that one side has killed more people, hence is worse, is irrelevant and very wrong.
Actually, those are Hamas claimed numbers. The IDF numbers claim more than 8,000 dead combatents, that’s actually a more than reasonable civilian to combatant ratio comparing to recent and less recent conflicts.
I know that sounds a bit heartless, but given the population density in Gaza it’s quite clear there’s no genocide intent here.
I would even argue that the Israeli army did more to save Palestinian lives than Hamas, who put them in an impossible situation for the sake of Jihad.
Like giving civilians a “safe route” and then bombing them as they followed it? Or bombing refugee camps? Sniping civilians? Cutting off the fuel supply and bombing hospitals?
So it should have not given a safe route?
Hamas lies, in fact they actually shot at their fleeing people to deter them from leaving so they’ll remain human shields, obviously blaming Israel.
The refugee camps are being used by terrorists, ate you telling Israel how to achieve its goals? In fact, even after Israel designated humanitarian zones, Hamas started shooting from there.
Humanitarian needs are being taken care of, although I don’t think any country would do the same in the same situation where the electricity and fuel are constantly being used against you. Can you imagine supplying fuel to a country that keeps throwing rockets on you for years? This situation is absurd.
Hamas lies which have already been proven so. The single time a hospital was hit was due to an Islamic Jihad rocket misfiring and landing in a hospital parking lot (supposedly killing 500 people according to the fastest body conters in the world, which were able to supply that body count around 5 minutes after that missile exploded).
For those of you wandering what was in this deleted comment - it’s videos taken by GoPro’s carried by the Hamas terrorists as they raided Israeli towns and brutally murdered as much civilians as they could find, including women and children.
Apperantly, it’s not OK by the mod to show (or even link to) evidence of actual genocide, only to make false claims of one. The mod didn’t explained which rule is it that led to my comment being deleted.
If anyone’s interested (I couldn’t watch all of it, and what I was able to watch kept me up at night) - contact me directly and I’ll send you the link for your viewing displeasure.
Keep down-voting, logic can’t seem to get through to you - if there was actual genocidal intent by Israel there’s no chance there’s no chance there were only 20 thousand or so dead.
These figures are probably over-hyped by the Hamas “health ministry”, which hold a Guinness world record for the fastest body counting by the way.
Obviously Israel can’t just exterminate the whole population. The world wouldn’t accept that. But making the region unliveable is a different story. They’ve been working on that for decades and this is the culmination of that plan.
If they were just hunting for"terrorists" they wouldn’t have to level entire blocks. Drive entire cities out of their homes.
I realize none of this will connect because Israel’s defenders will argue that for it’s security there’s no line it can’t cross. But for those of us on the sidelines the goal us pretty damn obvious. From “voluntary migration” to there’s “no such thing as a Palestinian people” (quotes from serving ministers) it’s pretty damning stuff.
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So you’re accusing Israel of doing everything it can in light of a terrorist organization holding 136 hostages as of now, which has dug all of it’s military facilities underneath civilian buildings and infrastructure to not upset the international community?
What is it that you expect Israel to do? Trust the terrorists that have shown by action and by verbal intent they will keep on doing their genocidal Jihadist quest?
Behave like a civilized nation. Not collectively punishing an entire population for the actions of some. It’s incredible to have to explain that.
This is not good vs evil. This is evil vs evil. Fighting fire with fire is ridiculously stupid.
You’re viewing this through your (probably) western eyes.
The population has been radicalized for years now (see https://youtu.be/W3jHj93JFMQ), and is being controlled by a terrorist organization with a mission of creating an Islamic State in the region, the Palestinian cause is just an excuse it uses.
Coming from outside, not knowing the full history of the region, and saying “ok kids, stop fighting and behave like an adult” when in reality one kid is a literal terrorist is (IMHO) naive.
Both Israel and the Palestinians are between a rock and a hard place, but the only way forward is to get rid of the terrorists who are not playing by any rules - their only wish is for the abolishment of Israel and its non-muslim citizens, with no regards for actual Palestinian lives.
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They haven’t done everything they can. Israel is one of the most well informed countries in the world with an intelligence agency that is on the cutting edge of opsec. They know exactly where Hamas is. What they don’t HAVE to do is bomb hospitals, bomb schools, bomb refugee camps displacing hundreds of thousands if not into the millions of people.
With all it’s intelligence might, Israel had dropped the ball, and it has been shown that no amount of intelligence can help deter a terrorist organization at the border.
If those schools are used for terrorist activities, the civilian population has evacuated, and the area designated as a war zone, it is fully entitled to complete the mission of eradicating Hamas, which is hurting the entire region, not just Israel.
The situation is shitty, but Israel was dragged forcefully into it, not by choice.
The UN seems to be of the opinion that genocide has occurred. But I’m sure you have better sources than they do.
That’s a false claim