• @joemo
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    -159 months ago

    I don’t care about your gender at birth. Really don’t. I do think that your gender at birth has significance. If you were born a male with certain genetic factors, and you change your gender to female later in life, it is very important to know that you were born male with factors X Y Z and not female. It’s not a tough concept.

    • DessertStorms
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      If you were born a male with certain genetic factors, and you change your gender to female later in life, it is very important to know that you were born male with factors X Y Z and not female. It’s not a tough concept.

      No, it isn’t a tough concept, you’re just a bigot. ¯\(ツ)

      I noticed that I edited my reply just as you posted this, so I’ll add this here because you made the exact leap I knew you would - does your doctor know your chromosomes? DNA? Have you ever even had your hormones tested? The answer is almost certainly “no”, because most people don’t, because those things are hardly ever relevant, and if they are, it isn’t because someone is trans (E: in most cases, anyway).

      No matter how many ridiculous leaps you make, and how many times you swear you don’t care about gender at birth or whatever:
      You
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      Transphobe

      • @howrar@lemmy.ca
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        No one gets tested for it because it’s very rare for it to not match up with your assigned sex at birth. Why spend hundreds of dollars on a test when you can just ask someone and get things right over 90% of the time? In recent years, doctors have always asked for both gender identity and assigned sex at birth, presumably because both are medically relevant.

        But the OP is clearly not about medical data for healthcare purposes.

        • FfaerieOxide
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          19 months ago

          No one gets tested for it because it’s very rare for it to not match up with your assigned sex at birth.

          How do you know that if you don’t get tested?

          • @howrar@lemmy.ca
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            09 months ago

            Just like with anything else in life, you don’t know with 100% certainty, nor do you need to. But you can generally assume that if you see the same pattern over and over, that it will probably hold in future cases. When it comes to the relationship between your DNA and assigned sex at birth, that was tested in a small number of humans (work of Theophilus Painter) and the trend was found to hold. From that point on, we’ve discovered problems that are linked to one chromosome or the other which also exclusively/disproportionately affect people of one sex or the other. Evidence of this sort show that the model continues to hold up in all cases and so we continue to use it.

            • FfaerieOxide
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              19 months ago

              you don’t know with 100% certainty, nor do you need to.

              If you admit you don’t need to, why make a deal about knowing?

              • @howrar@lemmy.ca
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                09 months ago

                I get the impression I’m being mistaken for someone else in this thread.

                If you’re asking about Joemo’s position, my understanding is that they think researchers are incapable of asking people for their assigned sex at birth and this will this draw incorrect conclusions from the data.

                • FfaerieOxide
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                  19 months ago

                  You don’t have the data you claim to. No one gets their karyotype tested.

                  • @howrar@lemmy.ca
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                    09 months ago

                    No one gets their karyotype tested.

                    I don’t understand what you’re getting at. Is that not exactly what I said?

      • @joemo
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        -39 months ago

        I’m not a transphobe lol. I don’t give a shit about it. I want you to be happy as a person, and you do you.

        I don’t want incorrect conclusions being drawn from a shitty dataset due to people changing their gender at birth. You were born with a certain sex. You can’t change that, no matter how hard you try. That information is also valuable, there may be trends that affect a specific sex more. If you change your gender, you could pollute that dataset and lead to incorrect conclusions drawn.

        Not everyone hates transpeople. Just because someone has a different opinion than you doesn’t mean they hate transpeople. Take a second to get off your high horse and actually think about the concepts I have commented about.

      • @joemo
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        -39 months ago

        Incapable of learning what? Why are you so incapable of thinking of ideas that go against what you believe?