Ok? Great? The post is missing the fact that whatever genitals you’re born with at birth is actually an important fact.
As you grow up, if you feel you are X instead of Y, great Good for you. That doesn’t change the environmental conditions that led to your birth.
Also with sports, the issue is with the league “names”. Create an “open” division where anyone can compete. Then create a division that’s biological females only. You think there’s no genetic advantage to someone who was a male for 30 years and then changed their gender (sorry if this isn’t worded the best). The issue here is creating a fair playing field for everyone.
It’s clear that Joe is just a transphobe hiding behind “Oooo technically important oooo” ignoring the fact that the fascists want to check children’s genitals not for any of those “important” reasons
Are you crazy? There are many factors which led to that data point. How you feel about it later in life is a different story. You don’t choose to be a certain gender. It’s genetically chosen for you, and there are other issues which are dependent on that data point.
You may feel that you are a man or a woman during your life, and that may not confirm to your gender. That’s ok! But there may be certain diseases that are more prevalent in a woman. If you were born a woman and change your gender later in life, how does it affect that disorder,m
If they were talking about that set it would be useful to specify that set. But of course that would mean using icky terms like “cis” instead of denying the humanity and even biological existence of trans people. Can’t be having that, now.
The women’s sports that they care so highly about at this time for some reason. Next they’ll probably talk about some hypothetical niece that plays sports and “whatever will she do” in sports with the trans
If there’s no genetic advantage for men, why did Chess have separate divisions?
The ACTUAL answer is misogyny. Chess was(and still is tbh) a very misogynistic “sport” back in the day, and many male professional chess players refused to play against women, and the ones that did play against them were often crude. To try and get more women interested in chess, women only divisions were created. It has literally nothing to do with genetic advantages.
I can’t speak for chess, but in gaming where there’s similarly no sex advantage, female gamers are rarely seen at the higher levels because the environment is very hostile towards them. Creating a separate women’s league would alleviate this to some degree and encourage more women to actually try to reach for the top.
That our society didn’t even let women take part in marathons at one point and the first time someone did that was by just taking part without making clear that they’re a woman and they’ll be themselves taking part in it. You can draw your conclusion from that
If there’s no difference in sports or shit with men and women, shouldn’t we just have one division?
I would think so, yes. I’m no expert on either lol.
If a sport that doesn’t depend on physicality still has separate divisions ( literally chess) what does that mean to you?
What is it supposed to mean? I have no idea why it’s like that. Here’s a relevant wikipedia article. I don’t know why you’re asking me this lmao, but I didn’t come here for an argument. I made a joke. Peace out ✌️
Ok, so if there’s no difference between men and women, shouldn’t a top tier woman’s chess player be able to play a top tier men’s chess player and win some games?
There’s no scenario where a top tier woman’s player beats Magnus Carlsen if he’s trying to win.
You are missing the fact that this issue is so unimportant and that even talking about it when everything else is on fire is… well… kind of moronic tbh.
So I get there’s important social issues around gender. But at the same time people are so caught up in how they feel that they miss out on the important fact that your gender at birth means more than what you want your gender to be. There may be environmental issues which are dependent on your gender at birth.
There may be environmental issues which are dependent on your gender at birth.
Can you elaborate on what you mean by this and why it’s important? I don’t understand how your gender at birth affects the environment in any way that matters.
So there may be specific issues that are related to genetics. I don’t really work in that field, but let’s say that in a certain area, males more likely to have X disease and it shows after 30. So like colon cancer or something.
If they go and change their gender to female, how does it
affect those stats? Are they suddenly less likely to experience those issues?
I honestly don’t give a shit about how you identify. I want you to be comfortable.
I still don’t see how that’s relevant to the environment. I’m guessing you just misspoke there.
Good science will consider your assigned sex at birth for these stats where relevant. No one is disputing the value of having that information and no one has problems with it because this data is all anonymized. The problem that the OP is referring to is when this data is collected without anonymization and used to bring harm to specific people based on their medical records. There’s no reason for anyone besides your doctor to have access to your medical records. Scientific studies require explicit consent to get that data.
“means more” isn’t a factual statement, it’s a value judgement and some people value being the best version of themselves more than they value leading a miserable existence because of their genetics. Environmental issues are also just that: results of the environment rather than innate expression of X or Y chromosomes. The point the OP post is making is that instead of focusing on economic policies, global warming, and wars, politicians are more focused on who decides they’d be happier as a man/woman/non binary person. It’s a complete waste of time for everyone BUT doctors and researchers since we shouldn’t be judging or limiting what people can do based on what genitals they were born with, and instead be focusing on how to fix massive, glaring, and disastrous issues such as the ones described in the post.
Ok? Great? The post is missing the fact that whatever genitals you’re born with at birth is actually an important fact.
As you grow up, if you feel you are X instead of Y, great Good for you. That doesn’t change the environmental conditions that led to your birth.
Also with sports, the issue is with the league “names”. Create an “open” division where anyone can compete. Then create a division that’s biological females only. You think there’s no genetic advantage to someone who was a male for 30 years and then changed their gender (sorry if this isn’t worded the best). The issue here is creating a fair playing field for everyone.
As a trans man, I see this as an absolute win. /s
I’m just making a pedantic joke btw. I’m assuming you’re talking about cis women.
It’s clear that Joe is just a transphobe hiding behind “Oooo technically important oooo” ignoring the fact that the fascists want to check children’s genitals not for any of those “important” reasons
Get the fuck out of here.
I don’t care what you choose to identify as. But your gender at birth is an important data point.
No it’s not.
It’s not? So there’s no medical conditions which affect men more than women?
Interesting, interesting.
No it isn’t.
Are you crazy? There are many factors which led to that data point. How you feel about it later in life is a different story. You don’t choose to be a certain gender. It’s genetically chosen for you, and there are other issues which are dependent on that data point.
You may feel that you are a man or a woman during your life, and that may not confirm to your gender. That’s ok! But there may be certain diseases that are more prevalent in a woman. If you were born a woman and change your gender later in life, how does it affect that disorder,m
WHO is born as an adult?
I was born a baby.
You were born with specific genetic things. Accurately recording those things is important.
Why? I can’t even name someone who can name someone who has actually had their karyotype tested.
You don’t even know what chromosomes you have.
If they were talking about that set it would be useful to specify that set. But of course that would mean using icky terms like “cis” instead of denying the humanity and even biological existence of trans people. Can’t be having that, now.
The women’s sports that they care so highly about at this time for some reason. Next they’ll probably talk about some hypothetical niece that plays sports and “whatever will she do” in sports with the trans
Yes?
If there’s no genetic advantage for men, why did Chess have separate divisions?
You must be a troll account because a human capable of literacy asking that question honestly is beyond comprehension.
I’m not. Go ahead and answer the question.
The ACTUAL answer is misogyny. Chess was(and still is tbh) a very misogynistic “sport” back in the day, and many male professional chess players refused to play against women, and the ones that did play against them were often crude. To try and get more women interested in chess, women only divisions were created. It has literally nothing to do with genetic advantages.
Lol ok. So the top classical femalechess player has an elo of 2628. The top male is 2830. That’s a huge difference.
Statistics(link).
I can’t speak for chess, but in gaming where there’s similarly no sex advantage, female gamers are rarely seen at the higher levels because the environment is very hostile towards them. Creating a separate women’s league would alleviate this to some degree and encourage more women to actually try to reach for the top.
So in esports there are also distinct female divisions. I haven’t seen a female team play a male team in Dota2, CS, LoL, any fighting games, etc.
Because the field is known to be hostile to women and filled with creepy incels? Have you SEEN how they act anytime a “female gamer” pops up?
So it’s not because of skill differences? Very weird…
I’m confused, what are you saying?
So the comment chain reference sports having different divisions for men and women.
These generally depend on a physical difference between men and woman.
Why would a sport which removed all physicality, still have separate divisions?
I dunno, why?
If there’s no difference in sports or shit with men and women, shouldn’t we just have one division?
If a sport that doesn’t depend on physicality still has separate divisions ( literally chess) what does that mean to you?
That our society didn’t even let women take part in marathons at one point and the first time someone did that was by just taking part without making clear that they’re a woman and they’ll be themselves taking part in it. You can draw your conclusion from that
Ok let’s look at marathons.
Boston Marathon. Top woman finished in 2:21:38. That would have been 38th in males times. The top male time was 2:05:54.
There’s a difference.
I would think so, yes. I’m no expert on either lol.
What is it supposed to mean? I have no idea why it’s like that. Here’s a relevant wikipedia article. I don’t know why you’re asking me this lmao, but I didn’t come here for an argument. I made a joke. Peace out ✌️
Ok, so if there’s no difference between men and women, shouldn’t a top tier woman’s chess player be able to play a top tier men’s chess player and win some games?
There’s no scenario where a top tier woman’s player beats Magnus Carlsen if he’s trying to win.
Shithead bigots such as yourself, one would imagine.
You’re using the existence of an oppression to justify the further propagation of that very oppression, and begging the question further.
You are missing the fact that this issue is so unimportant and that even talking about it when everything else is on fire is… well… kind of moronic tbh.
It is but unfortunately ignoring it just leads to our rights being stripped more
So I get there’s important social issues around gender. But at the same time people are so caught up in how they feel that they miss out on the important fact that your gender at birth means more than what you want your gender to be. There may be environmental issues which are dependent on your gender at birth.
Can you elaborate on what you mean by this and why it’s important? I don’t understand how your gender at birth affects the environment in any way that matters.
So there may be specific issues that are related to genetics. I don’t really work in that field, but let’s say that in a certain area, males more likely to have X disease and it shows after 30. So like colon cancer or something.
If they go and change their gender to female, how does it affect those stats? Are they suddenly less likely to experience those issues?
I honestly don’t give a shit about how you identify. I want you to be comfortable.
I still don’t see how that’s relevant to the environment. I’m guessing you just misspoke there.
Good science will consider your assigned sex at birth for these stats where relevant. No one is disputing the value of having that information and no one has problems with it because this data is all anonymized. The problem that the OP is referring to is when this data is collected without anonymization and used to bring harm to specific people based on their medical records. There’s no reason for anyone besides your doctor to have access to your medical records. Scientific studies require explicit consent to get that data.
“means more” isn’t a factual statement, it’s a value judgement and some people value being the best version of themselves more than they value leading a miserable existence because of their genetics. Environmental issues are also just that: results of the environment rather than innate expression of X or Y chromosomes. The point the OP post is making is that instead of focusing on economic policies, global warming, and wars, politicians are more focused on who decides they’d be happier as a man/woman/non binary person. It’s a complete waste of time for everyone BUT doctors and researchers since we shouldn’t be judging or limiting what people can do based on what genitals they were born with, and instead be focusing on how to fix massive, glaring, and disastrous issues such as the ones described in the post.
You sure seem intensely interested in baby genitals.
Should …should we call somebody? 🤨
Sure thing champ.