Hospitals have been caught in the crossfire during the Israel-Hamas war — both literally and in the clashing narratives of the conflict.

JERUSALEM (AP) — The head of surgery at Gaza’s largest and most advanced hospital held up his phone Saturday to the hammering of gunfire and artillery shelling. “Listen,” said Dr. Marwan Abu Sada as fighting raged around Shifa Hospital.

  • thatsage
    -18•1 year ago

    Do you believe the IDF is incompetent at doing a genocide then?

    • be_excellent_to_each_other
      12•1 year ago

      That’s a false dichotomy. They are killing them as fast as they think the international community will tolerate. They won’t kill them fast enough to provoke any major entity into opposing them, they will just stay firmly in the “everyone will wag their fingers at us and argue about whether it’s right” zone, which is where they sit currently.

      • thatsage
        -10•1 year ago

        And what will make you believe genocide isn’t the end goal? The refugees leaving through Egypt don’t?

        • be_excellent_to_each_other
          9•1 year ago

          The refugees leaving through Egypt don’t?

          How could they? Reiterating my prior point:

          They are killing them as fast as they think the international community will tolerate. They won’t kill them fast enough to provoke any major entity into opposing them, they will just stay firmly in the “everyone will wag their fingers at us and argue about whether it’s right” zone, which is where they sit currently.

          So the fact that this leaves open the possibility that some people get to flee their homes in terror, knowing that their friends and loved ones who refuse to be chased out of their homes by Israel are likely to be killed by the IDF, is one of the things that you feel might convince me that Israel doesn’t have genocidal intent?

          And what will make you believe genocide isn’t the end goal?

          Clearly nothing that you’re going to accept.

          • thatsage
            -10•1 year ago

            But that’s impossible to argue. You can claim for any ratio that it’s a silent genocide as long as even a single citizen is killed. And we know a war without civilian casualties - even forgetting the situation of Hamas putting civilians forward as shields and even killing some themselves. Where do you draw the line?

            Instead of examining the facts, you’re opting for an easy cop-out that requires no proof and cannot be disproved.

            • be_excellent_to_each_other
              5•1 year ago

              I didn’t say no conditions anyone would accept, I said no conditions you are going to accept. You wouldn’t be carrying water to this level if you would.

                • be_excellent_to_each_other
                  1•1 year ago

                  But let’s hear them, why “hide” it?

                  LOL ok you sure got me there. Here’s your chance to prove me wrong.

                  Stop now. Say “hey, we got our pound of flesh (and about 2000 more pounds too), let’s stop and figure out a path forward.”

                  And since Kbin doesn’t seem to want to let me upload inline images today:

                  https://i.imgur.com/XwHVxrT.png