• Black Cat
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    -148 months ago

    Israel has roughly 2.000.000 Arabian citizens. They descent from 156.000 Arabs who stayed in Israel after 1948. This must be the least successful ethnic cleansing of all time!

    • @ProcurementCat@feddit.de
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      188 months ago

      Yes, you can cleanse minorities outside of your country while not harming another minority at home. Glad that we got that covered.

      • @alvvayson@lemmy.world
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        8 months ago

        Indeed.

        And also, being less efficient or succesful at ethnic cleansing compared to other (historic) ethnic cleansings doesn’t somehow make it OK.

        The number of Albanians in Kosovo has also grown and the number killed wasn’t “huge” compared to the Holocaust or Holodomor or Armenian genocide.

        But it was still a genocide and still wrong.

      • @letmesleep@feddit.de
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        8 months ago

        Theoretically sure, but the discrepancy makes it problematic to speak of of ethnic cleansing in this case. If you steal land for the purpose of getting land, you’re probably still committing a crime, but it’s not ethnic cleansing because the intend is something different. E.g. greed or the desire to ensure your safety by holding a strategic position (that’s why Israel took the Golan heights).

      • @DoomBot5@lemmy.world
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        8 months ago

        The Palestinian population has similar numbers. Their growth exploded over the last 70 years to present day numbers. Worst genocide ever.

    • @Floey@lemm.ee
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      88 months ago

      You may want to look up what a genocide is. It definitely does not require the complete extermination of a people, even by the self serving UN definition.

    • acargitz
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      68 months ago

      What an idiotic comment. It’s like saying the Armenian genocide didn’t happen because there are more Armenians now than before.

    • @Lileath@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      68 months ago

      And the population of the Uyghurs was rapidly on the rise until just a few years ago - especially compared to the Han-Chinese population. That is not an ethnic cleansing as well then, right?

    • NoneOfUrBusiness
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      08 months ago

      Well given that there were 700000 Arabs who had to flee out of fear of getting murdered (or because they were directly ordered to flee by the IDF’s predecessors), I’d say they were pretty successful.

      • @S_204@lemmy.world
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        -38 months ago

        That’s some interesting revisionist history. They were told they’d be able to return after the surrounding nations destroyed the newly formed Israel… that backfired and the surrounding nations refused to take on the refugees they created. Womp womp.

        That’s the find out part that comes after fucking around. Seems like that lesson wasn’t learned so they’re back for more. Sucks for all the people who just want peace.

        • NoneOfUrBusiness
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          -28 months ago

          They were told they’d be able to return after the surrounding nations destroyed the newly formed Israel… that backfired and the surrounding nations refused to take on the refugees they created.

          So you’re saying Israel did not massacre or expel Palestinians? I suggest reading Benny Morris (a Zionist Israeli historians)'s four-stage analysis of the Palestinian diaspora. Hint: Most of them were fleeing for their lives or actively ordered to flee by the IDF’s predecessors, as I said above.

          • @S_204@lemmy.world
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            -108 months ago

            I’m not saying a war didn’t happen. Both sides were displaced and communities attacked from north to south by both.

            What I’m saying is many Arabs, hundreds of thousands of them left willingly and under the direction of the surrounding Arab Nations under the promise of being able to return once Israel was destroyed.

            It’s not Israel’s fault they’re still waiting. Many Arabs who didn’t leave, still live there in peace accounting for nearly 20% of the country’s population.

            Had they not left, had Israel not been attacked by 5 countries at once kicking off generations of warring, who knows if we would have seen peace. The Israelis were open to the partition plan, it’s the Arabs that weren’t and that’s the unfortunate reality they’ve left Palestinians with ever since.

            • NoneOfUrBusiness
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              18 months ago

              What I’m saying is many Arabs, hundreds of thousands of them left willingly and under the direction of the surrounding Arab Nations under the promise of being able to return once Israel was destroyed.

              It’s not Israel’s fault they’re still waiting. Many Arabs who didn’t leave, still live there in peace accounting for nearly 20% of the country’s population.

              Are you even reading what I said? Most of these people left because they either (rightly given the sheer number of massacres) feared for their lives or were actively expelled.