Remember kids, Tankies wants to undermine democracy - same as facists.

  • @barsoap@lemm.ee
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    41 year ago

    What’s your issue with Yitzhak Rabin? With the Israeli Labour party in general? I mean short of any issues you might have with socdems in theory or practice.

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        51 year ago

        And Herzl advocated for which of those?

        Rabin was a Labour Zionist killed by a Religious Zionist. It’s not a left-right thing. In fact it would hardly be accurate to call the right’s conception of Zionism proper Zionism as a Jewish state in perpetual conflict with its neigbours is not feasible in the long term. Right wing and self-sabotage, name a more iconic duo.

        • Discoslugs
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          I’m not here to debate the definition of Zionism.

          I’m here to post images and links of Palestine’s casualties. I’m not sure what your getting at above. I feel like your trying to distract from the current situation. Which is this: Israeli bombs continue to drop on Gaza.

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            If you use a word in a wrong way then you shouldn’t be surprised if people call you out on it.

            And, no, I won’t excuse Israel here there’s fucking Kahanites in the current government, Rabin’s killer is a Kahanite, they’re not a single bit less fascist than Hamas or Nazis, just the coat of paint differs.

            …and maybe, just maybe, if you’re out here on the internet with the explicit mission of doing activism you should have an understanding about the broader political context of things, the alternative is to be an instrument for whoever gets to you first. This is basic shit. In a sense Zionism dates back to about 500BC when Persians conquered the area from the Babylonians which had conquered the Jewish kingdoms and ethnically cleansed them.

            The return to Israel was back then tied up with a prophecy of world peace (see swords to ploughs), but the diaspora continued to exist and there’s in fact anti-Zionist Jews who think that the whole project is heresy as it’s trying to force a prophecy. Zionists of course disagree (or simply don’t see it in religious terms), but long story short yes there’s plenty of people who want a Jewish state, with full rights for all non-Jews living there, democratic, liberal, peaceful, lefty, all the things. Rabin was one of them. Herzl wasn’t that much different. You should be supporting those people, try to convince Israelis to give that approach another chance, not lump them up with genocidal maniacs. Same of course goes for the Palestinian side (in case you plan on defending Hamas).

            tl;dr: Fascism bad.

            • Discoslugs
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              141 year ago

              Once again. I don’t know what your getting at.

              Let’s stop dropping bomb on Gaza and figure out the rest later.

              • Anytime you say “palestinians are dying” there’s always a well-trodden wag going “ARE YOU SAYING ISRAEL SHOULDN’T EXIST11???///!!”

                You have to learn to just ignore it and hope the world will come to some sense at some point soon

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                To quickly get the IDF to stop bombing getting rid of the current government seems to be a decent approach, don’t you think? To that end, I’ll quote myself:

                You should be supporting those people, try to convince Israelis to give that approach another chance, not lump them up with genocidal maniacs.